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Janny, I'm so sorry not to have replied to your PM - I haven't been around here much lately and I saw it when I got the email notice and found this thread that it was about, and meant to post here to let others know the good news and I guess I got distracted!

You're very welcome and thanks for letting us know.

thank you all
for so much work .I have spoken to Pollys family now,after all these years we know what her mystery was .thank you all for helping xx

of course I read the whole thing before realising how old it was :-)


not many Pollys born Dec 1906 in the deaths index

this one

Name: Polly Bowers
Birth Date: 8 Dec 1906
Date of Registration: Jan 1990
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20
Page: 802

matches this household in the 1939 register

Polly Bowers (Carroll) 08 Dec 1906 House Duties
Elizabeth Joan (Betty E) Tenver (Carroll) 13 Aug 1929 At School

that is, both Polly and her daughter were named Carroll at the time and both subsequently (re)married (and both are deceased)

Polly's second marriage recorded under both surnames which indicates divorce

Name: Polly Carroll
Spouse Surname: Bowers
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1954
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume Number: 5h
Page Number: 247

Name: Polly Simmons
Spouse Surname: Bowers
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1954
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume Number: 5h
Page Number: 247

spouse John A Bowers

daughter actually married Penver (mistranscribed Tenver in 1939 register at findmypast)

Name: Elizabeth J Carroll
Spouse Surname: Penver
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1952
Registration district: Hereford
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 106

spouse Basil G Penver and two children of that marriage ... he is in many trees here, most of which have his place and date of birth wrong ... one tree owner might be a relation of Polly's second husband

Births Sep 1929
Carroll Elizabeth J Simmons Brighton 2b 265

I have my doubts that she is the person who married Penver in Hereford, there could be an error in the update of the 1939 register

... but maybe so

Name: Elizabeth J Penver
Birth Date: abt 1930
Date of Registration: Mar 1964
Age at Death: 34
Registration district: Cuckfield
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 231


no other Polly Simmons born late 1906-early 1907, so seems a pretty sure bet that was her

Julia

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Good luck

Keen to chat to you re: Polly. Long shot but might have some ideas. J. Bell.

many thanks for the info i will take a look ,yes i do think it must have been horrible as many people seemed to have lost a few children .but i didnt know of theirs .
yes your right Albert E Carroll did sem a realy good chance ,i had a lot of contact with his grandaughter and everything seemed good but it appeared this was not her after all ,so im still trying ,one day befor long i hope ,i will get to the end of this story ,i shall send for anoter one and maybe 3rd time lucky ,thank you so much XX

Hi Janny,

On the 1911 census images (on Findmypast) it asks how many children were born to a marriage and how many are still alive and how many have died.

You will find that in that era most families lost babies. My husband's great grandparents are on the 1911 census and they have had 16 children, 11 of whom died. It must have been devastating for them. Having checked out the deaths for hubby's great grandparent's surname in the area where they lived it seems most of these children probably died before their first birthday.


Kath. x

Are you certain that she didn't marry Albert E. Carroll? It's just that that would seem the most likely going by her age and the place of marriage (or is this one of the certificates you have already bought?)

Kath. x

HI Kathy
please can you tell me were you found te ones who died i didnt know my grat gran had children who died ,many thanks for this info ,Janny

many thanks ,sorry yes this is her she was born late 1906 ,and it was her brothers that were register with the mothers name washer ,because they wee born 1912/15 ,sorry i miss led you .
i have been trying to solve this with out buying ,a certificate as i already have 2 from this mystery that are not correct .
but i gess i will never know if no one comes forward ,
Mum had called her Paul at some point .but my mum is a little bit difficult to chat to at times about the family ,
im going to look at Paula and Pauline .but i think she was Polly ,thanks Janny :-)

This looks like the family in 1911 census:-

SIMMONS, Ernest Head Married M 38 1873 Contractor Labourer Sussex Brighton
SIMMONS, Sarah Wife Married F 37 1874 Laundry Sussex Brighton
SIMMONS, Sarah Daughter Single F 19 1892 At Home Sussex Brighton
SIMMONS, Violet Daughter F 14 1897 At School Sussex Brighton
SIMMONS, Lily Daughter F 10 1901 At School Sussex Brighton
SIMMONS, Nellie Daughter F 8 1903 At School Sussex Brighton
SIMMONS, Polly Daughter F 5 1906 At Home Sussex Brighton <<<<<<<<<<<

7 children born to the marriage. 5 still living and 2 have died.

Address:
20 Arnold Street Brighton

Reference:
RG14PN5108 RG78PN226 RD79 SD1 ED20 SN267

Kath. x

Kath, I think that you have found the correct birth.

Marriages Mar 1893 (>99%)
Simmonds Ernest Brighton 2b 341
Washer Sarah Jane Brighton 2b 341

Could this be Polly's birth (registered in the first qtr. of 1907 so could have been born late 1906):-

Name: SIMMONS, Polly
Registration District: Brighton
County: Sussex
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 2B
Page No: 171

Kath. x

If you buy the marriage certificate for Polly Simmons and Abe Friede it should give you their fathers names so you should be able to tell if it is "your" Polly - unless she didn't give her father's name because she ran away.

Kath. x

Polly Simmons born 1906 ,she aparently ran away possibly to get married in the 1920s ,we never had any clues to what happened to her ,
i have looked up records She did not marry Mr Carroll or in 1954 marry Mr Bower in Havant Hants
Theres a record of a Polly Simmons ,being Born in 1906-7 to a SIR nAME Washer ,and she was Daughter of Sarah Jane Washer and Ernest Simmonds [children spelt Simmons].
thers a Recor of a Polly Simmons marying Abe Friede in Mile End in 1921,this would make her very young but not forgetting she ran away and mother was living at Sarah Janes house in 1920S AND SAID THERE WAS TALK OF WONDERING WERE SHE WAS AND THOUGHTS OF A PREGNANCY .,
I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE IS RELATED TO aBE fRIEDE OR THEIR CHILDREN
Sena brn 1926
Wallace 1928
Estelle f 1930Stepney Greater London .these maybe not related but i can then delete fron my searches ,if anyone can help thank you Janny :-( :-(
ps i would like to be able to tell my mum what happened to her Aunty