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Rosina,

It might also help, on your new thread, to give a rough indication of his birth year and when he left the country.

Rosina, don't think Patrick relates to this particular 'Thread' query?, you need to start your own 'Thread'.

In the meantime, worth a search on below...

Chris :)

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792

(New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Passenger Lists, 1839-1973)

Looking for Patrick Dowling left England to live in Opotiki New Zealand .thank you

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 (Find My Past)

(bit too early for above!)

Chris :)


http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

(above useful sometimes for snippets!, newspapers)

Thanks chris and andy


from the shipping it looks as though
John, Emma, ernest and amy came to NZ arriving in canterbury 7 dec 1875 on the Waitangi

Interesting the LACY name.
Amy and her husband Lewis William JOHNS had a son in 1913 and named him Raymond Lacy JOHNS
also a son named john coleman JOHNS

seems they loved using family names (very usefull)

Maybe parents marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
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LACY Emma St Thomas 5b 119
LACY Emma Ann Patmore St Thomas 5b 119
Thorn John St. Thomas 5b 119



1871 using mothers maiden name and middle names

1871 England Census
about William Lacy
Name: William Lacy
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: John Thorn
Mother's Name: Emma Thorn
Gender: Male
Where born: St Saxoum, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Topsham
Town: Topsham
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: St Thomas
Sub-registration district: Topsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 2051
Folio: 73
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
William Thorn 99
Sarah Thorn 82
John Thorn 37
Emma Thorn 34
William Lacy 10
Joseph Lacy 3
Sarah Lacy 1




Andy

name:

Amy Sarah Patmore Thorn

gender:

Female

baptism/christening date:

25 Mar 1870

baptism/christening place:

TOPSHAM,DEVON,ENGLAND

birth date:

birthplace:


father's name:

John Thorn

father's birthplace:

father's age:

mother's name:

Emma


917542

name:

Ernest Joseph Collman Thorn

gender:

Male

baptism/christening date:

30 Aug 1867

baptism/christening place:

TOPSHAM,DEVON,ENGLAND

birth date:

birthplace:

father's name:
John Thorn
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name:
Emma Ann Patmore
mother's birthplace:
mother's age
England-ODM
source film number:
917542


Andy

New Zealand, Immigration Passenger Lists, 1855-1973

(above might be useful, below link)


https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1609792

Chris :)

amy is my daughter in laws gg grandmother

Either of the birth certificates will give the parents' names, which will make it easier to rule out them still in England in 1871.
Or their marriage or death certificates.....

how are you attached to these people?

yes perhaps this was an older brother? and they reused the name?

in 1946 our ernest died age 78 this coincides with ernest joseph c born in 1867

Spanner in the works!!

Name: Ernest J C Thorn
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1866
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: St Thomas
Inferred County: Devonshire
Volume: 5b
Page: 42

i only have access to the 1881 and they do not seem to come up in england

I have ernest married in nz in 1902

and amy married in nz in 1899

thats the best i can do

Just for ref:
Births Mar 1870
THORN Amy Sarah P St. Thomas 5b 61
Births Sep 1867
Thorn Ernest Joseph C St. Thomas 5b 61

Have you tried to find them in England in 1871, to see if they are still there?

Can you put any kind of time frame in?

Name: Amy Sarah P Thorn
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1870
Registration district: St Thomas
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 61

Name: Ernest Joseph Coleman Thorn
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1865
Registration district: St Thomas
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 54 (