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Can anyone help please. I am trying to trace my 3x gt grandfather Henry Brown who married Louise (or Louisa) Riches in about 1860 ish. At one point he was a hairdresser in Whitechapel London. They had at least one son called John Brown who married Isabella Hill in1890, in St Stephens Westminster London. John could be John Benjamin or John Stephen I really don't know and with a name like Brown I have got a bit bogged down!! Thanks

This looks like their marriage:-

First name(s) LOUISA
Last name RICHES
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1862
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ LOUISA RICHES married one of these people
PHILIP HARRIS, >>>>>>>>>>>>>HENRY BROWN<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
District BETHNAL GREEN
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1C
Page 645

Kath. x

This record for the same marriage gives the actual date and their fathers names:-

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) Louisa
Last name Riches
Name note -
Marriage year 1862
Marriage date 28 Jul 1862
Marriage place Bethnal Green
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Riches
Spouse's first name(s) Henry
Spouse's last name Brown
Spouse's father's first name(s) Benjamin
Spouse's father's last name Brown
County London
Country England

Kath. x

thanks that looks like the right Brown, and gives me an idea where the Benjamin comes from. Do you know how many children they had as I only have a record of one -John Stephen born in1864. Thank you

This is possibly them in the 1871 census (the image says Henry is a Hairdresser):-

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Back Church Lane, St George, East, St George in the East, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Henry Brown Head - Male 30 1841 - Middlesex, England
Louisa Brown Wife - Female 29 1842 - Middlesex, England
Henry Brown Son - Male 7 1864 - Middlesex, England
John Brown Son - Male 6 1865 - Middlesex, England
Charles Brown Son - Male 4 1867 - Middlesex, England

On the next page of the images is Louise (or Louisa) Brown age 6 months. She has been missed off the transcription above.

Kath. x

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Name Charles Edwin Brown
Gender Male
Christening Date 25 Aug 1867
Christening Place ST MARY WHITECHAPEL,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 30 Jul 1867
Father's Name Henry Brown
Mother's Name Louisa

This is John's marriage (he's John Stephen on this record):-

First name(s) ISABELLA
Last name HILL
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1890
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ISABELLA HILL married one of these people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JOHN STEPHEN BROWN,<<<<<<<<<<<<< CHARLES HENRY FLEGG
District ST. GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Page 880

Kath. x

Here's another record of the marriage giving the exact date:-

First name(s) ISABELLA
Last name HILL
Marriage year 1890
Marriage day 14
Marriage month Apr
Parish St Stephen, Rochester Row
Spouse's first name(s) JOHN STEPHEN
Spouse's last name BROWN
Groom's age 23
Groom's parish -
Bride's age 21
Bride's parish -
County Middlesex
Record set Westminster Marriages

Kath. x

Thank you so much it all seems to fit. I was hoping that with a name like Louisa Riches it would help put the pieces together. So now I have a 2x grt grandfather with brothers and possibly a sister. I don't think he became a hairdresser like his father but would any of his brothers and do we know what happened to them?

As you say Brown is a difficult name to work with. I can't seem to pin down any of the family from the 1871 census I posted in the later census.

If Charles is Charles Edwin as AnnCardiff suggested then I have found a record for a Charles Edwin Brown in the 1911 census (strangely enough with a wife also called Louisa) but he is a silversmith's agent:-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
130 South Lambeth Road South Lambeth SW, Lambeth, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

Charles Edwin Brown Head Married Male Silversmiths Agent 44 1867 London Stepney
Louisa Brown Wife Married Female - 39 1872 London Westminster
Victoria Brown Daughter - Female - 9 1902 London Vauxhall
Isabella Brown Daughter - Female - 8 1903 London Vauxhall
Hilda Brown Daughter - Female - 4 1907 London Vauxhall
Charlotte Walker Boarder Married Female - 26 1885 London Westminster
Ivy Walker - - Female - 1 1910 London Walworth
Eaith Annie Parker Boarder Single Female Dressmaker 28 1883 London Kennington

Married 13 years.

I can't be sure this one is yours though.

Kath. x

This seems to be the marriage of the couple above:-

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) CHARLES EDWIN
Last name BROWN
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1898
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ CHARLES EDWIN BROWN married one of these people
>>>>>>>>>>>>LOUISA HILL,<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ELIZA WRIGHT
District LAMBETH
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 857

Kath. x

could this be them in 1891

COPY PRINT SOURCE BOX SHARE
Attach to Family Tree
Louisa Brown
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name Louisa Brown
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County London
Parish St Pancras
Ecclesiastical Parish HOLY TRINITY
Registration District Pancras
Residence Note Ferdinand Street
Gender Female
Age 49
Marital Status Married
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1842
Birthplace England
Page Number 27
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 137/ 13
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Henry Jas Brown Head M 52 England
Louisa Brown Wife F 49 England
Louisa J A Brown Daughter F 18 England
Henry Joseph Brown Son M 14 England
Wm Robt Brown Son M 10 England

and in 1901

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Attach to Family Tree
Louisa Brown
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name Louisa Brown
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
County London, Middlesex
Civil Parish St Pancras
Ecclesiastical Parish St Andrew
Sub-District Kentish Town
Registration District St Pancras
Residence Note Prince Of Wales Road
Gender Female
Age 59
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1842
Birthplace St Pancras, London
Schedule Type 50
Page Number 6
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

H J Brown Head M 61 St Pancras, London
Louisa Brown Wife F 59 St Pancras, London
Henry J Brown Son M 24 St Pancras, London
William R Brown Son M 20 St Pancras, London

Thank you all. I have spoken to my dad who seems to recall the there being 2 sisters who married 2 brothers which would tie in with Isabella and Louisa Hill marrying John and Charles Brown, it is interesting to see that Charles was a silversmith, would the area that they live in and their professions suggest that they might have some Jewish history?

what makes you think being a silversmith had a Jewish connection?

Sorry it wasn't being a silversmith so much as the area of London and it was one of those family myths that I haven't been able to prove or disprove and Brown doesn't sound Jewish to me but I didn't have that much information to go on.

Hello.
I was interested to find this as I too have been trying to pin down this family as Louisa Riches brother John is my 3xgreat grandfather.
Louisa Riches father was a Silversmith.

I've found Louisa living with Henry Jnr and his wife Ada and family in 1901. She is s widow. I can't find John at all and only Charles (I think) in1881 and 1891. I'll keep on trying.

Hello
Thank you for the above. I have tried to pick up the threads of this part of my family, but am not succeeding. I can't find out what happened to Louisa Riches husband henry Brown. On the 1881 census I have her as a widow living with her son Henry in St George in the East, if that is the right Louisa Brown So what happened to her husband other younger children, Louisa born 1871, William born1881. I know John Stephen lived but can't find him on the census either after 1871, until he reappears in 1911 with his wife Isabella. Thanks

you might be interested in exploring the new GRO Index ........... GRO = General Registry Office.

They have digitised their birth and death records from 1837 to 1915, and the birth records show the full name of the child and usually the mother's maiden name. It will also be possible to order an email version of a certificate for the next few weeks/days (there is a limit on the number they will issue this way).

eg

BROWN, HENRY RICHES
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 413

BROWN, JOHN BENJAMIN RICHES
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 383

BROWN, WILLIAM RICHES
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 360


Of course there is nothing to say that they decided not to continue to call John Benjamin, but decided at baptism to change his second name to Stephen!


NOTE:- there is another Brown mmn Riches family, but those children are registered in Peterborough.


You should try searching on this site if you have not already done so. You do have to register, but it is free .............

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Click on Order Certificates Online

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