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(was that her below, haven't read all through 'Thread')


(just to add, as 1871 states she was 6 mths, gives Whitechapel for place, not seeing!)

(The date of the 1871 census was the night of 2 April 1871)

Chris :)


Deaths Jun 1871 (>99%)
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Brown Louisa Maria 0 St. Geo. East 1c 261


Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
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BROWN Louisa Maria St. Geo. East 1c 402


http://www.disease.pricklytree.co.uk/#p

(Old Disease names, and their Modern definitions, useful above)


Edits (from GRO Index)

BROWN, LOUISA MARIA RICHARDSON
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 402


BROWN, BENJAMIN JOSEPH RICHARDSON
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 391


Deaths Sep 1870 (>99%)
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Brown Benjamin Joseph 1 St. Geo. East 1c 287

Thank you that would make sense. Louisa and henry had a daughter also louisa born in 1871 and possibly a son william born in 1866 but i can't find these 2 on the 1881 census, so could they possibly have died from TB as well. I can only find louisa and her son henry on the 1881 census living together in St George in the east, but i can't find the older children,John born 1865 and Charles born 1867 either

I know it's got a p, but could it be phthisis? It was a huge killer at this time in east London, and elsewhere. Another name for tuberculosis.

Hi I know this will sound really vague but having just seen a death certificate I can't read the cause of death, I don't know if anyone can interpret it or has any ideas. The person is Henry Brown, died October 1871 aged 33 in St George in the East he was a hairdresser married to Louisa Richens. The cause of death is a word that doesn't have any letters that go under the line i.e. g, p, q etc and possibly ends ........isis and he had it for 1 year. I would be grateful for any suggestions thanks

Thanks for the above, I have now ordered some online certificates, so just waiting to see what they show

Previous page on that Louisa Riches Marriage (Ancestry, London), is below couple, they are witnesses to each others Marriages

Benjamin Joseph. occ. Biscuit Baker, as is his Father Benjamin, same Father/occ. for Henry


Marriages Sep 1862 (>99%)
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Brown Benjamin Joseph Bethnal Gn 1C 644
Lloyd Ann Bethnal Gn 1c 644

Chris :)

(if below relates)

1841 (Find My Past)
Benjamin Brown Male 30 1811 Middlesex, England (Baker)
Elizabeth Brown Female 25 1816 Middlesex, England
Eliza Brown Female 10 1831 Middlesex, England
Martha Brown Female 7 1834 Middlesex, England
Benjamin Brown Male 5 1836 Middlesex, England
George Brown Male 3 1838 Middlesex, England
Henry Brown Male 1 1840 Middlesex, England
Street Mount Street
Parish or township St Matthew Bethnal Green
City or borough Tower Hamlets
County Middlesex
Registration district St Matthew Bethnal Green
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 694
Book number 9
Folio number 6
Page number 4


England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Benjamin Joseph
Last name Brown
Gender Male
Birth year 1835
Baptism year 1835
Baptism date 08 Nov 1835
Place Shoreditch
County London
Father's first name(s) Benjamin
Father's last name Brown
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth

you might be interested in exploring the new GRO Index ........... GRO = General Registry Office.

They have digitised their birth and death records from 1837 to 1915, and the birth records show the full name of the child and usually the mother's maiden name. It will also be possible to order an email version of a certificate for the next few weeks/days (there is a limit on the number they will issue this way).

eg

BROWN, HENRY RICHES
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 413

BROWN, JOHN BENJAMIN RICHES
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 383

BROWN, WILLIAM RICHES
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 360


Of course there is nothing to say that they decided not to continue to call John Benjamin, but decided at baptism to change his second name to Stephen!


NOTE:- there is another Brown mmn Riches family, but those children are registered in Peterborough.


You should try searching on this site if you have not already done so. You do have to register, but it is free .............

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Click on Order Certificates Online

Go to Register/Log-In (top line in box to the right)

Scroll down until until you see LogIn or Register

Click on Search the GRO Indexes

Hello
Thank you for the above. I have tried to pick up the threads of this part of my family, but am not succeeding. I can't find out what happened to Louisa Riches husband henry Brown. On the 1881 census I have her as a widow living with her son Henry in St George in the East, if that is the right Louisa Brown So what happened to her husband other younger children, Louisa born 1871, William born1881. I know John Stephen lived but can't find him on the census either after 1871, until he reappears in 1911 with his wife Isabella. Thanks

I've found Louisa living with Henry Jnr and his wife Ada and family in 1901. She is s widow. I can't find John at all and only Charles (I think) in1881 and 1891. I'll keep on trying.

Hello.
I was interested to find this as I too have been trying to pin down this family as Louisa Riches brother John is my 3xgreat grandfather.
Louisa Riches father was a Silversmith.

Sorry it wasn't being a silversmith so much as the area of London and it was one of those family myths that I haven't been able to prove or disprove and Brown doesn't sound Jewish to me but I didn't have that much information to go on.

what makes you think being a silversmith had a Jewish connection?

Thank you all. I have spoken to my dad who seems to recall the there being 2 sisters who married 2 brothers which would tie in with Isabella and Louisa Hill marrying John and Charles Brown, it is interesting to see that Charles was a silversmith, would the area that they live in and their professions suggest that they might have some Jewish history?

and in 1901

COPY PRINT SOURCE BOX SHARE
Attach to Family Tree
Louisa Brown
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name Louisa Brown
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
County London, Middlesex
Civil Parish St Pancras
Ecclesiastical Parish St Andrew
Sub-District Kentish Town
Registration District St Pancras
Residence Note Prince Of Wales Road
Gender Female
Age 59
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1842
Birthplace St Pancras, London
Schedule Type 50
Page Number 6
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

H J Brown Head M 61 St Pancras, London
Louisa Brown Wife F 59 St Pancras, London
Henry J Brown Son M 24 St Pancras, London
William R Brown Son M 20 St Pancras, London

could this be them in 1891

COPY PRINT SOURCE BOX SHARE
Attach to Family Tree
Louisa Brown
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name Louisa Brown
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County London
Parish St Pancras
Ecclesiastical Parish HOLY TRINITY
Registration District Pancras
Residence Note Ferdinand Street
Gender Female
Age 49
Marital Status Married
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1842
Birthplace England
Page Number 27
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 137/ 13
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Henry Jas Brown Head M 52 England
Louisa Brown Wife F 49 England
Louisa J A Brown Daughter F 18 England
Henry Joseph Brown Son M 14 England
Wm Robt Brown Son M 10 England

This seems to be the marriage of the couple above:-

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) CHARLES EDWIN
Last name BROWN
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1898
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ CHARLES EDWIN BROWN married one of these people
>>>>>>>>>>>>LOUISA HILL,<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ELIZA WRIGHT
District LAMBETH
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 857

Kath. x

As you say Brown is a difficult name to work with. I can't seem to pin down any of the family from the 1871 census I posted in the later census.

If Charles is Charles Edwin as AnnCardiff suggested then I have found a record for a Charles Edwin Brown in the 1911 census (strangely enough with a wife also called Louisa) but he is a silversmith's agent:-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
130 South Lambeth Road South Lambeth SW, Lambeth, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

Charles Edwin Brown Head Married Male Silversmiths Agent 44 1867 London Stepney
Louisa Brown Wife Married Female - 39 1872 London Westminster
Victoria Brown Daughter - Female - 9 1902 London Vauxhall
Isabella Brown Daughter - Female - 8 1903 London Vauxhall
Hilda Brown Daughter - Female - 4 1907 London Vauxhall
Charlotte Walker Boarder Married Female - 26 1885 London Westminster
Ivy Walker - - Female - 1 1910 London Walworth
Eaith Annie Parker Boarder Single Female Dressmaker 28 1883 London Kennington

Married 13 years.

I can't be sure this one is yours though.

Kath. x

Thank you so much it all seems to fit. I was hoping that with a name like Louisa Riches it would help put the pieces together. So now I have a 2x grt grandfather with brothers and possibly a sister. I don't think he became a hairdresser like his father but would any of his brothers and do we know what happened to them?

Here's another record of the marriage giving the exact date:-

First name(s) ISABELLA
Last name HILL
Marriage year 1890
Marriage day 14
Marriage month Apr
Parish St Stephen, Rochester Row
Spouse's first name(s) JOHN STEPHEN
Spouse's last name BROWN
Groom's age 23
Groom's parish -
Bride's age 21
Bride's parish -
County Middlesex
Record set Westminster Marriages

Kath. x

This is John's marriage (he's John Stephen on this record):-

First name(s) ISABELLA
Last name HILL
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1890
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ISABELLA HILL married one of these people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JOHN STEPHEN BROWN,<<<<<<<<<<<<< CHARLES HENRY FLEGG
District ST. GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Page 880

Kath. x