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My great-grandfather, Charles Hector Ling, was a 'boarder' in 1911 and filled in the census on behalf of the head of house. He filled in his own age as 22 and his own place of birth as Suffolk Eye.

However, myself and my sister cannot find any record of a Charles Hector Ling being born in the general area at the time he suggests. Is it possible Genes Reunited has no record of his birth for some reason, and if so, where else can we look, as we cannot follow the Ling surname further back without knowing who his parents are?

It is also possible he lied about his age or birthplace for some unknown reason, or even changed his name at some point. Is this as likely as his birth record not being on the site?

Where else can we look to find information on our great grandfather, or is it a lost cause?

is it possible that you are putting in too much information??

a better site for England and Wales bmds is

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

and it is free :-)

you had an earlier thread on him, with replies

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1323003

did you ever buy that marriage certificate??

it would give his full name, but more importantly, his father's name so we had a chance to trace him

When did Charles Hector die?

He's not listed as Charles Hector on his death (Chartham Parish comes under Bridge registration district):

Death:
First name(s) CHARLES
Last name LING
Gender Male
Birth year 1889
Age 73
Death quarter 3
Death year 1962
District BRIDGE
County Kent
Volume 5B Page 43
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National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

LING- Charles, of Rosieres Westcliff Gardens Westbrook Margate died 16 July 1962 at St. Augustines Hospital Chartham, Kent Probate London to Charles Arthur Ling Accountant and Annie Elizabeth Ling widow

This looks like his death ,AustinQ


Charles H Ling
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Sep 1962
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Surrey North eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 528

Emma

We have been through the lookingfor info before , in 2013

As advised then your best bet is to buy is marriage certificate for info on his father's name

Shirley- I don't think that's the correct death- he died Chartham,

I agree with SHirley- I think you'll need the marriage certificate

Thanks Austin

Am on the iPad and it wasn't showing the later death info

Only listed as C (no H) on recruitment register:

Surrey Recruitment Registers 1908-1933 Transcription

First name(s) C
Last name Ling
Service number 12232
Age 26 Years 9 Months
Birth year 1889
Birth place Walthamstow<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation Clerk
Attestation year 1915
Attestation date 04 December 1915
Attestation place Wandsworth
Unit or regiment London Regiment (19th Batn)
Regiment London Regiment (19th Batn)
Height 5ft 6in.
Weight in pounds 136
Chest expansion inches 3
Chest size inches 37
Remarks 40 Ravensbury Rd Earlsfield
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Annie 1939 register: (I don't have access to details):

Ling Household Wandsworth, London, England

Annie E Ling 1890
Evelyn L Thorne (Ling) is also on this record
2 more people who are officially closed
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Possible birth based on recruitment register:
First name(s) CHARLES
Last name LING
Birth year 1889
Birth quarter 2
District WEST HAM
County Essex
Volume 4A Page 266
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Possible Baptism:
Name: Charles Ling
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 4 Mar 1889<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Christening Date: 3 Apr 1889
Christening Place: Walthamstow, Essex, England
Christening Age: 0
Father: Frederick Ernest Ling
Mother: Amelia
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and 1901 (note father's place of birth):

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
34, Beaumont Road, West Ham, Essex, England

Frederic Ling Head Married Male 37 1864 Builder's Carman Eye, Suffolk,
Amelia Ling Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Ernest Ling Son - Male 14 1887 - West Ham, Essex, England
Charles Ling Son - Male 12 1889 - Walthamstow, Essex, England

Presumably him on the 1921 Electoral Register (no middles name here either):


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965

1921
53 Swaby Road s.w 18 Wandsworth
Charles Ling
Annie Elizabeth Ling
Arthur Crook

and still at the same address in 1925 (and listed as just Charles)
- same in 1929

You have the correct 1938 Austin:

Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
Ling Evelyn L Creek Bethnal G. 1c 105



Ling Household (2 People) 20 Bracken Avenue , Wandsworth, London, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Evelyn L Thorne (Ling) 08 Apr 1918 Clerk (Bank) Machinist
Annie E Ling 04 Nov 1890 Unpaid Domestic Duties
+ 2 closed records here......

Dea x

Thanks Dea- just found them on the 1939 electoral register at 20 Bracken Ave- and Charles is listed there too- no H initial again.

1939 electoral register

20 Bracken Ave s.w 12
Charles Ling
Annie Elizabeth Ling
Evelyn Love Ling

I searched and searched last night, and could not find any other listing for Charles Hector

There is a Charles Horace born at roughly the same time, and he must be accounted for when looking at any Charles H.

I gave up when I found that there had been so much information posted on the 2013 thread, and no apparent attempt to buy the marriage certificate, that would at least give us the father's name.


My gut feeling is that Charles may well have given himself the middle name Hector for some reason unknown!

I don't see any reference to Charles Hector either- apart from on the 1911 census, and perhaps his marriage certificate. I am certain he was born just Charles- same as when he died.

I don't think it was that unusual for people to add or use slightly different names when marrying at that time. My father married as Alfred, but this was one of his middle names as he was born James! (He omitted his other two names). If the family I posted is correct his mother died before he married and father had new partner- he may well have genuinely thought his middle name was Hector or perhaps he thought it would impress the in-laws? But as you say Sylvia- the marriage certificate would certainly help.

Emma- the marriage certificate will give you father's name and occupation. It will also tell you who the witnesses were- they were often friends and family that may help to confirm the correct Charles.

If you want to order a certificate it's very easy- but does cost £9.25. You can order it here: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Edit: just a thought Emma- Do you have you Grandfather's births certificate (Charles A Ling b1919)? If you do- what was the address?

Alternatively you could try contacting descendants of your grandfather's sister, Evelyn- she had at least three children born Hertfordshire. They may have more information on the family. Please add to this thread if you need further help.

Regards,
Austin