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there dos'nt seem to be any Elizabeth Gallon's in Wales1901 or 1911

Mavis

Thanks Mavis
I have no information regarding my grandmother Elizabeth Gallon other than she had my father in 1921 she registered her name as Elizabeth Wilson so i presume she was married before my dad's birth (also my dad's father is not Wilson) It would help if i can find my grandmother's birth certificate but all i remembered my dad saying was that she was Welsh, the only address i have is 89 Church St Runcorn
Reading from the replies i have seen, it may be possible that Wilson was killed (WW1)
Thanks
Martin

as a thought could Elizabeth Gallon married before she married a Wilson ??

that would account for no marriage as Elizabeth Gallon to a Wilson.


Gallon surname seems to be a orientated around Tynemouth area 1910 /1930

found very few birth's for Wilson - mth Gallon all within Tynemouth

Mary C Wilson 1912 Tynemouth parents maybe William Wilson and Sarah Gallon = 1912

only these up to 1930 mth Gallon --- may have been 2 mothers nee Gallon
going by 2 births in 1924

Chin L Wilson 1921 Runcorn

Frank Wilson 1922 Tynemouth

Gladys Wilson Sep1924 Tynemouth
Rhoda Wilson Dec 1924 Tynemouth

Alan F Wilson 1928 Tynemouth

Mavis

Re-posting my earlier posts on Mary Elizabeth .................

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Working on the principle that Elizabeth Gallon might be older, I looked for marriages between a Mr Wilson and an Elizabeth Gallon form 1900 to 1921 ....... i didn't look before 1900. The following was the only one that I found on freebmd

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)

Gallon Mary Elizabeth Portsmouth 2b 1156
Wilson Thomas Tinnion Portsmouth 2b 1156


This looks like Thomas Tinnion's Birth Registration .....

Births Sep 1872 (>99%)
WILSON Thomas Tinnion Whitehaven 10b 566


I then found this Probate Record on ancestry .............

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Thomas Tinnion Wilson
Probate Date: 8 Feb 1917
Registry: Exeter
Death Date: 12 Nov 1916
Death Place: Devon, England

from image:-
of Mill Street, Sidmouth, Devonshire, grocer, died 12 November 1916 at the Devon County Asylum, Exminster, Devonshire. Probate granted Exeter 8 February 1917 to Thomas Gallon, engineer, and Mary Elizabeth Wilson, widow.
Effects £454 1s


The following death registration matches the probate record, St Thomas is the Registration District that includes Exminster ...........

Deaths Dec 1916 (>99%)
Wilson Thomas T 43 St.Thomas 5b 88


But then my possible theory came to a screeching halt %3A-%28

If the information on the 1901 and 1911 Censuses is accurate, Mary Elizabeth would be too old to have a child in 1921 %3A-%28

1901 Census

Name: Thomas F Wilson <<<<< it is Thomas T on the image
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary E Wilson
Mother: Mary A Wilson
Birth Place: Larton, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
Search Photos: Search for 'Portsmouth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Southsea St Bartholomew
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Portsmouth
Sub-registration district: Kingston and East Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 18

Piece: 987
Folio: 120
Page Number: 17
Household schedule number: 134

Mary A Wilson 55 b.ca 1846, Worthington, Cumberland, Widow, Living on Own Means
Thomas F Wilson 29 b.ca 1872, Lrton, Cumberland, Son, Tea Dealer (Grocer
Mary E Wilson 36 b.ca 1865, Camden Town, London, Daughter-in-law

Address:- 54 Beach Farm Rd


1911 Census

Name: Thomas Tannior Wilson
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Orton, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
Search Photos: Search for 'Portsmouth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: 54 Francis Avenue, Southsea
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Grocers Assistant Co Operative Society
Registration district: Portsmouth
Registration District Number: 90
Sub-registration district: Kingston and East Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 223
Piece: 5537

Thomas Tannior Wilson 39
Mary Elizabeth Wilson 45 b.ca 1866, Camden Town, London

Married 10 years, no children


SylviaInCanada Report Edit Delete 25 Jun 2016 05:42

Mary Elizabeth seems to have certainly been born ca 1866

This looks like her in 1881 (from FMP as ancestry has stopped working for me) .....

1881 Census

George Gallon Head Married Male 44 1837 Rly Engine Driver Northumberland, England
Emma Gallon Wife Married Female 46 1835 - Edenham, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Elizbth Gallon Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Domestic Servant Camden Town, Middlesex, England
George Edw Gallon Son Single Male 13 1868 Labourer In Printing Works Battersea, Surrey, England
Eva Eliza Gallon Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Battersea, Surrey, England
Wm Taylor Gallon Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Battersea, Surrey, England
Emma Gallon Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Battersea, Surrey, England
John Gallon Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Battersea, Surrey, England
Isabella Gallon Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Battersea, Surrey, England
Herbert Gallon Son Single Male 1 1880 - Battersea, Surrey, England
Eliza Herbert Sister In Law - Female 45 1836 Domestic Servant Unemployed Edenham, Lincolnshire, England



SylviaInCanada Report Edit Delete 25 Jun 2016 05:48

I really doubt that someone born in 1864-1866 would have had a child in 1921, at the age of ca 55


Back to the drawing board!

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It was a good theory while it lasted!!!!!

That's the one I found and disproved earlier ............... she would have been in her late 50s in 1921!

snap lol

that's this one

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)

Gallon Mary Elizabeth Portsmouth 2b 1156

Wilson Thomas Tinnion Portsmouth 2b 1156

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
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Atherley Bessie Ann Portsmouth 2b 1156
Gallon Mary Elizabeth Portsmouth 2b 1156
Plowman Kate Christchurch 2b 1156
Reed Major Stanley Portsmouth 2b 1156
Wilson Thomas Tinnion Portsmouth 2b 1156

(is that above?)

Chris :)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

(use above, it's also free!)

There is a record of a Elizabeth Gallon who married a wilson as follows:
Volume 2B
Page 1156
Line Number 95

Image Quarter 4
Country England
County Hampshire
District PORTSMOUTH

But it is a long shot

Thanks Chris
I ordered the birth certificate for her and looking at the records you found, i dont believe it is the right person. I was looking for a Gallon marriage to a Wilson sometime between 1910 & 1920 but couldnt find anything. But i appreciate your detective work :-(

1911 (Find My Past)
Ellen Barrow Head Married Female - 33 1878 Cty Durham South Shields
Lizzie Gallon Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Cty Durham South Shields
Esther Barrow Daughter - Female School 7 1904 Cty Durham South Shields
John Barrow Son - Male - 4 1907 Cty Durham South Shields
Mary Barrow Son - Female - 2 1909 Cty Durham South Shields
Address 43 Albion St South Shields
Parish South Shields
County Durham
Census reference RG14PN30262 RG78PN1745A RD556 SD1 ED3 SN175


Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
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Barron John S. Shields 10a 1337
Barrow John S. Shields 10a 1337
Gallon Ellen S. Shields 10a 1337


Deaths Mar 1923 (>99%)
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BARROW Ellen 44 S. Shields 10a 893

(possible Death)


School Record has Ellen, as Name of Parent or Guardian. Birthdate 29/5/00. Residence as 8, Wellington Place.

Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
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Gallon Elizabeth S. Shields 10a 779

Chris :)

http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/index.php?q=1&cookiecheck=1

(above usually helpful, Durham Records Online)


Marriages Mar 1918 (>99%)
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Gallon Elizabeth R Wood S. Shields 10a 1386
Wood John Gallon S. Shields 10a 1386

(although looking at 1939, could be above)


Deaths Sep 1962 (>99%)
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WOOD Elizabeth R 62 S.Shields 1a 720

My dad, Chin Lee Dock also served in WW!! but i cant find anything on him, can anyone help, i know he received 4-5 medals during his time there. He was born in 1921 18th Jan
Thanks#
Regards

I dont know whether i am barking up the wrong tree but i found a Elizabeth Gallon :
GALLON ELIZABETH 1900 — 1900 Births & baptisms South Shields, Durham, England
Gallon Elizabeth 1900 — 1904 Schools & education
Again i am assuming that my grandmother was born in 1900

Not sure what the following means:
Elizabeth Wilson
L2LP-V2L
Any ideas?

Thanks Chris, yes, i would have been 2 years old when my father took my 3 older brothers to Hong Kong for schooling,i was too young to go. My brothers returned about 6-7 years later, un beknowing to me and my younger brother that we had 3 older brothers who suddenly appeared

To Rambling Rose, thank you again for your detective work, i give you that you are very diligent and tirelessly helped to find out who my grandmother was. I am still a bit unsure if the Elizabeth Gallon was my grandmother but i cant dismiss it at the moment as i dont have much to go on. i

Thanks also Detective,my grandfather took my father who must have been 3 years old to China

In the 1924 passenger list for Chin Lee posted on the previous page, Dock Lee was aged 50. So born c1874?

From memory there were other entries for him on the passengers lists, which could be checked.

Don't suppose you have any idea of age for Dock?...

Chris :)

Britain, merchant seamen, 1918-1941 Transcription (Find My Past)

Dock Ching Ah 1889 (16th Jan. Birthplace China. Rating, Sailor)


http://newspapers.library.wales/

(above, but not seeing a lot, Welsh Newspapers)


(also below)


1911 (Find My Past)
Low Ching Head Married Male General Dealer 29 1882 Canton China Resident China
Margaret Ching Wife Married Female Boarding House Keeper 24 1887 Liverpool Lancashire
Mary Winifred Ching Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Liverpool Lancashire
Dorothy Daley Servant Single Female House Maid 19 1892 Liverpool Lancashire
Shan Shu Gun Boarder Single Male Sea Man 24 1887 Honkong China
Tong Sai Boarder Single Male Sea Man 34 1877 Honkong China
Chin Be Shew Boarder Single Male Sea Man 21 1890 Honkong China
Low Choy Boarder Single Male Sea Man 30 1881 Honkong China
* Des Chin Boarder Single Male Sea Man 34 1877 Honkong China*
Ah Yow Boarder Single Male Sea Man 24 1887 Honkong China
Address 18 And 19 Bull Ring North Shields
Parish Tynemouth
County Northumberland
Census reference RG14 PN30761 RG78 PN1758 RD559 SD2 ED29 SN315
(for Low, says Married 3 yrs, 1 child born, 1 living)


Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)
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CHING William Low W.Derby 8b 610
POWNALL Margaret W. Derby 8b 610


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1909

CHING William L POWNALL Margaret West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/251/3

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php


(then there is this)


GRO MARINE DEATHS INDICES (1903 to 1965) Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) DACK
Last name CHIN
Gender Male
Age 70
Birth year 1872
Death year 1942
Vessel TAIPING
Page 49
Record source GRO Marine Death Indices (1903 to 1965)
Record set British nationals died overseas 1818-2005


(not an easy one to research, as you have found, so many variants coming up everywhere, and probably ages on records can't be taken as gospel either!, shame you don't have more to go on!, the way this family history goes I'm afraid, lol)


edits

(has below been posted?)

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

First name(s) CHIN
Last name LEE
Gender Male
Birth year 1921
Birth day 18
Birth month 1
Marital status M
Occupation LAUNDRY PROP
Departure year 1956
Departure day 28
Departure month 9
Departure port SOUTHAMPTON
(last UK Address, 35a, Oxford Street, Manchester)

Re the Elizabeth S Gallon on the 1939 Manchester, just for ref

This is her in 1911, mother and sister same as 1939

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16 Roxborough Place Heaton N/c, Heaton, Northumberland, England

Emily Ann Gallon Head Widow Female - 52 1859 Gateshead Durham
Mary Gallon Daughter Single Female - 29 1882 Rothbury Northumberland
Alice Emily Gallon Daughter Single Female General Assistant 25 1886 Rothbury Northumberland
Jane Victoria Gallon Daughter Single Female Drapery Shop Assistant 23 1888 Rothbury Northumberland
Hilda Florence Gallon Daughter Single Female Drapery Shop Assistant 21 1890 Rothbury Northumberland
Elizabeth Septima Gallon Daughter Single Female Drapery Shop Assistant 16 1895 Gateshead Durham
William Anthony Gallon Son Single Male School 12 1899 Heaton Newcastle
Winnifred Edith Gallon Granddaughter Single Female - 1 1910 Broomhill Northumberland
Thomas Nevin Boarder Single Male Draughtsman 26 1885 Allendale Northumberland

She died Deaths Mar 1978
GALLON ELIZABETH SEPTIMA ABOUT1894 E CLEVELAND 3 3216

I am just wondering if, on a very very outside chance she may have lived with a Mr Wilson and taken his name without being married?

Otherwise the only Gallon /Wilson marriage I can see is this one

Marriages Jun 1912 (>99%)
Gallon Sarah Wilson Tynemouth 10b 551
Wilson William Gallon Tynemouth 10b 551

Thanks Sylviain for your clarification, i am still none the wiser. Are there any marriage records available covering Gallon & Wilson? I checked 89 church st(Runcorn) but came up with a blank,my grandfather's name was Chin Dock (born in China) but he came over to UK as a seaman. I am sorry that i dont have that much information, i suppose its like looking for a needle in a haystck

Martin

women can be as old as 50 and have children, though that is rare unless the women has previously had a lot of children.

I would consider that an age range up to the age of 45 could be well within consideration.

It is not at all strange that there are two birth registrations for your father.

It simply means that your mother was married (Wilson), and that Gallon was her maiden name. If the father had been her husband Mr Wilson, then that would have been it. There would ahve been only 1 birth registration.

In your father's case, it means that Mr Wilson was not the father, and your mother was honest in admitting that to the Registrar, so the birth had to be registered twice ............. once in her legal name of Wilson, and once in the name of Gallon because Mr Wilson was either dead or would not allow his name to be used.

Wilson was Elizabeth's legal name because once a woman married back then, she took her husband's surname and kept that name unless she married again or legally changed her name