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thanks will follow up that. Not sure if any clues from Sophia death certificate but the informant and present at death was Maria Bowstead not husband John? Regards Pam

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Age a little out:

Deaths Mar 1885 (>99%)
DOWLING John 74 Manchester 8d 158

Thank you. This is very good and I will look more in depth at it in case can get more leads He does appear to still be alive in 1872 on his daughters marriage certificate Kind Regards Pam

And a possible second and third marriage for the son- now listed as widower:

Name: Edward Dowling (widower)
Birth Year: abt 1846
Marriage Date: 1 Feb 1875
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: John Dowling (Painter)
Spouse's Name: Eliza Jackson
Spouse's Father's Name: Charles Jackson
Archive Roll: 742

Name: Edward Dowling (widower)
Birth Year: abt 1842
Age: 52
Marriage Date: 3 Feb 1894
Parish: Newton Heath, St Anne
Parish as it Appears: St Anne, Newton
Father: John Dowling (Deceased- house painter)
Spouse: Abigail Blomeley
Spouse Father: Rickard Bones
Reference Number: M148/1/24/1
Item Number: 1
Archive Roll: 827

Not connected to his death but wondered if it was possibly a second marriage for John?:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sheppards Court, 1, Gun Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

John Dowlin Head Widower Male 36 1815 House Painter Ireland
Edwd Dowlin Son - Male 10 1841 Scholar Ireland
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The son Edward's marriage:

Name: Edward John Dowling
Birth Year: abt 1840
Marriage Date: 8 Jan 1860
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: John Dowling (Painter)
Spouse's Name: Harriet Jane Bentley
Archive Roll: 728

Still having no result in finding a death entry for John Dowling born about 1816 Ireland. I do now have the death certificate for his wife Sophia Dowling who died on 13th November 1868 living at Daniel Street in Salford Manchester this also confirms she was wife of John Dowling House Painter. Her age at death was 48 so looks like birth around 1820 rather than 1816. Cant find John in any census after 1861 only Daughter Margaret appears in 1871 as Boarder which I have all the details for. Have no details of marriage either for John to Sophia I have ordered a birth certificate for what I believe is the right Margaret Dowling born 1852 daughter of John Any more suggestions for finding death for John Dowling after 1868 Thanks and regards Pam

the 1881 census say's he is a inmate so in the workhouse so he a pauper would not be a painter then also he is 65yrs































































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Manchester Cemetery Records Transcription
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First name(s) GEORGE HARDSTAFF
Last name MEASURES
Age 74
Birth year 1847
Death/Burial year 1921
Death/Burial day 03
Death/Burial month Feb
Cemetery MANCHESTER CHEETHAM HILL WESLEYAN CEMETERY
County Lancashire
Country England
Records' title Burial Register
Record locality Manchester Cheetham Hill Wesleyan Cemetery
Date range 1889 - 1937
Film M 74 / 12 / 20 / 5
Record set Manchester Cemetery Records
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
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george and margaret both in grave number 192 ng

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First name(s) MARGARET
Last name MEASURES
Age 54
Birth year 1852
Death/Burial year 1906
Death/Burial day 18
Death/Burial month Aug
Cemetery MANCHESTER CHEETHAM HILL WESLEYAN CEMETERY
County Lancashire
Country England
Records' title Burial Register
Record locality Manchester Cheetham Hill Wesleyan Cemetery
Date range 1889 - 1937
Film M 74 / 12 / 20 / 5
Record set Manchester Cemetery Records
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

you could try here for john dowling marriage

http://www.rootsireland.ie/

its a subscription site £18 for a month

Thank you again for your help Margaret died age 54 in Prestwich Her married name was Measures I have ordered death certificate . Not sure if John is the right one in 1881 census as his occupation was Painter Kind Regards Pam

is this john in 1981



John Dowling

England and Wales Census, 1881

Name John Dowling
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Crumpsall, Lancashire, England
Registration District Prestwich
Residence Note Crumpsall
Gender Male
Age 65
Marital Status (Original) Married
Occupation C. Hand Loom Weaver
Relationship to Head of Household Pauper Inmate
Birth Year (Estimated) 1816
Birthplace Ireland
Page Number 6
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 4027/27
Affiliate Record Type Household

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1939 Register Transcription

Household (1 Person) 52 Little Sisters of the Poor Plymouth Grove , Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Margaret Dowling ? ? 1853 Female Member Of Religion Comm Single 6 65

MARGARET
Last name DOWLING
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1853
Age 88
Death quarter 4
Death year 1941
District MANCHESTER
County Lancashire
Volume 8D
Page 111
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

Thanks to everyone helping. I will order Birth certificate for Margaret when I'm more sure about right one

Margaret's birth cert would give you her mother's maiden name.

Lancs bmd has these two possible births (nothing for Margaret Dowling):

DOWLAN Margaret Ancoats Archives+, Manchester Central Library FEARN ANC/61/29
DOWLAN Margaret Ancoats Archives+, Manchester Central Library JACKSON ANC/64/24

Deaths Dec 1868 (>99%)
Dowling Sophia 48 Salford 8d 48

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Harroby Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thos Carr Head - Male 40 1831 - Yorkshire, England
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Matilda Carr Wife - Female 47 1824 - Yorkshire, England
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Harriet Bridget Carr Daughter - Female 19 1852 - Yorkshire, England
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Josph Rowley Nephew - Male 23 1848 - Yorkshire, England
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Margt Dowling Boarder - Female 18 1853 - Lancashire, England

The census is correct and they are not showing up in 1871 census. Looking for the Ireland info for John and Sophie Thanks Pam

1861
Name: John Dowling
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sophia Dowling
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
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Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 2928
Folio: 56
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
John Dowling 45
Sophia Dowling 45
Mararet Dowling 8
Thomas Johnson 30
Andrew McCormick 45
James Kennedy 36

that's the right census Thanks