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I am looking for my 3x great grandmother Harriet Elias from Carmarthen. Last known address County gaol Carmarthen c1804.

Ellen Harding

Do you know what year she was born and is Elias her maiden or married name?

Kath. x

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New South Wales and Tasmania: Settlers and Convicts 1787-1859 Transcription


First name(s) Harriet
Last name Elias
Birth year -
Arrival year 1803
Ship name Glatton
Sentence 7 years
Residence Windsor
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Record set New South Wales and Tasmania: Settlers and Convicts 1787-1859
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Transportation
Collections from Australasia
Copyright BSORI

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New South Wales and Tasmania: Settlers and Convicts 1787-1859 Transcription


First name(s) Harriett
Last name Elias
Age 30
Birth year -
Arrival year -
Ship name B C
Residence Windsor
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Record set New South Wales and Tasmania: Settlers and Convicts 1787-1859
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Transportation
Collections from Australasia
Copyright BSORI

I think this is the death of the person mentioned above. Her husband, Abraham, is also mentioned in the above records.




New South Wales Deaths 1788-1945 Transcription



First name(s)
Harriett
Last name
Elias
Birth year
-
Death year
1877
Registration year
1877
Age at death
-
Registration district
Windsor
State
New South Wales
Country
Australia
Father's first name(s)
Edward
Mother's first name(s)
Mary


Is this your Harriet or is this a totally different person?

Search the Carmarthen Gaol Felons Register
www.welshlegalhistory.org/felons-register-search.php?tud=felons... Cached
Search the Carmarthen Gaol Felons Register, ... stealing coal from the S Wales Railway Co. 1813: Carm, Llanelly: ... Elias: 286: 17 Dec 1849: labourer: stealing a watch:

(if relating below, probably more items)

http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced

Chris :)

The Welshman 16th February 1855

Carmarthen Petty Sessons.
Evan Griffiths, Stag Inn, pig drover, was charged by Harriet Elias, Pentrebach, with disobeying an affiliation order. Compromised.

edits (not above, at Pentrebach 1851 aged 26)


1877 NSW from below)

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y


ELIAS.
At the residence of her sister-in law, Mrs. Edward
Robinson, Windsor, N. S. W., Mrs. Harriet, Elias, aged 83,
widow of the late Abraham Elias, Bathurst-street, Sydney, and
dearly beloved aunt of Mrs. David Annesley, Newtown, and


(more info. from Ellen needed)

It would appear that Abraham was Transported not once but twice! The second time was in 1816 at the Devon Azzizes when he was found guilty to ' uttering' a forged Note and having in his possession 84 forged notes; sentence 14 years Transportation.

Edit

1828 NSW Australian Census
Abraham Elias age 38 & Harriett Elias age 30 Vessel Shipley Sentence 14 yrs Occ Shopkeeper District Windsor

(in case below relates, haven't got time to look further at moment, apologies!)

Chris :)

The Welshman 28th October 1859

By paid William Williams, P.C., expenses of conveying Joshua Moses, Abraham Elias and Michael Barnett from St. Clears to Carmarthen Gaol, per order of the Committing Justice 0 5 4 42.


https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/services-temporarily-unavailable

(Online Indexes and KeyName Search)

(shame above isn't working, can be useful)


(usually something about if Convict related found on google)


http://www.hawkesbury.net.au/claimaconvict/convictDetails.php?convictId=59697

(Claim a Convict)

Details for the convict Abraham Elias (1817)

Convict Name: Abraham Elias
Trial Place: Devon Assizes
Trial Date: 5 August 1816
Sentence: 14 years
Notes:
Arrival Details
Ship: Shipley (1)
Arrival Year: 1817

Perhaps the above (08:52) is not the same Harriet as there is this Marriage

Name Harriot Robinson
Spouse Abraham Elias
Marriage date 1823
Marriage Place Windsor, New South Wales

I do not know anything about Harriet Elias other than she gave birth to a daughter who was baptised in 1814 at St Peter Carmarthen. (1803 was a mistake) Elias is probably her maiden name but the child Jane was given the fathers name of Allen. Jane's father was Anthony .Allen a victualler in the same town.


Regards

Ellen Harding nee Strange

Looking at the image of the Bap for 13 Sep 1814 Harriet's surname looks to be Alaris or similar but definitely starting with an 'A'

Jane Allen

Wales Births and Baptisms

Name Jane Allen
Gender Female
Christening Date 13 Sep 1814
Christening Place SAINT PETER,CARMARTHEN,CARMARTHEN,WALES
Father's Name Anthony Allen
Mother's Name Harriet

is this Anthony's marriage



Anthony Allen

mentioned in the record of Anthony Allen and Martha Philipps

Name Anthony Allen
Spouse's Name Martha Philipps
Event Date 10 Oct 1818
Event Place Saint Peter,Carmarthen,Carmarthen,Wales

Could be some references to Anthony on Welsh Newspapers above...


http://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above link, below looks to relate)

County Carmarthenshire
Place Llandeilo Fawr
Church name St Teilo
Register type Parish Register
Marriage date 26 Jun 1814
Groom forename Anthony
Groom surname ALLEN
Groom condition Widower
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname JONES
Bride condition Widow

Baptism
County Carmarthenshire
Place Llandeilo Fawr
Church name St Teilo
Register type Parish Register
Baptism date 26 Mar 1815
Person forename Anthony
Person sex M
Father forename Anthony
Father surname ALLEN
Mother forename Mary


Baptism
County Carmarthenshire
Place Carmarthen
Church name St Peter
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number
Baptism date 13 Sep 1814
Birth date
Person forename Jane
Person sex F
Person abode
Father forename Anthony
Father surname ALLEN
Father occupation
Mother forename Harriet


The Carmarthen Journal and South Wales Weekly Advertiser 26th December 1812

Family Notices
On Saturday last, Mrs. Allen, wife of Mr. Anthony Alien, of the George-Inn, Llandilo.


The Carmarthen Journal and South Wales Weekly Advertiser 12th December 1812

Advertising.
GEORGE INN, I.LANiilLO^ ANTHONY ALLEN. 7- (Late of the TALBOT, Carmarthm), BEGS leave to inform the Nobility, Gentry ..1.) ";(-iiiietnen Travellers


The Carmarthen Journal and South Wales Weekly Advertiser 31st October 1828

Advertising.
ANTHONY ALLEN, (LATE OF THE GOLDEN LION INN, NARBERTH,) BLACK LION INN, LAMPETER, BEGS leave to inform the Nobility, Gentrv, and his JL3 Commercial Friends, That he has entered upon the above old Established Inn, which has recently been fitted up in a manner capable of affording everv oossible accommodation...


http://tinyurl.com/z7tytal

(1814 Gazettes. Anthony Allen, formerly of the county of the Borough of Carmarthen, and late of the ...(victualler)


(where did you come by 'Elias'?, not sure it says that on Baptism Image, Find My Past, presume they were in Gaol at same time)

There does not seem to be any felony information before 1844 so I do not know if Harriet was transported to Australia. Her daughter Jane was baptised in 1814 at St Peter Carmarthen. Really that is all I know of Harriet.

I do know quite a lot about Anthony Allen. He was a victualler but I would like to know where he was born.

But how did you come by surname Elias?...

Chris :)

(just wondered as does look to begin with A, same as Allen, so perhaps a form of Elias, if original viewed then perhaps was clearer!)

Chris :)