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KathleenBell
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25 Jul 2016 14:40 |
I agree Shirley - I would put my money on Esther being Esther Baker too.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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25 Jul 2016 06:21 |
Well on the 1881 census Edwards occ is given as butcher .journeyman .thsi would tie with the info on the marriage to Esther Baker
The baptism record too for Emily Louise also gives Edwards occ as butcher so it's consistent again
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KathleenBell
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24 Jul 2016 23:43 |
Unfortunately I can't find certain birth registrations for either of Esther's children so they may not have been registered and only the birth certificates would confirm Esther's maiden name.
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Brian
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24 Jul 2016 21:25 |
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and info, please keep them coming. Some of the names suggested line up with those that I have found. I think that I will have to start purchasing birth certificates to try to prove the surname one way or another. If and when I prove it I will post the correct surname on this site. Once again, thanks. Brian Ekins
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KathleenBell
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24 Jul 2016 19:45 |
I think sometimes on the census people just said their birthplace was the place where they lived at that census - or they said the nearest large town to their actual birthplace.
I think Esther Baker is much more likely to be Emily's mother - especially as the marriage has Edward Smith's occupation as butcher.
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LondonBelle
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24 Jul 2016 18:14 |
Looking at the 1939 Register again it looks like Emily's married daughter Esther A Easey is living at the same address.
Easey Arthur 16 Aug 1890 occ Car Washer Easey Esther A 08 Jun 1892 occ Office Cleaner
Looking at the image initially it looked like the surname was Casey but the first letter of the surname looks exactly the same as that for Ekins.
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LondonBelle
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24 Jul 2016 17:48 |
Marriage?
Name: Esther Baker Spinster, Minor Spouse: Edward Smith occ Butcher, Bachelor, Full Age Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 29 May 1870 Parish: St George, Bloomsbury Borough: Camden Father Name: Benjamin Baker occ Clerk Spouse Father: Edward Smith occ Butcher Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses George Baker & Fanny Smith
Interestingly the Address for them both is 6 Hyde Street as per the Baptism
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ArgyllGran
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24 Jul 2016 17:48 |
But 1911 says she was born in Oxton (Hoxton on image - which is part of Shreditch):
Esther Smith in the 1911 England Census Name: Esther Smith Age in 1911: 61 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation to Head: Mother Gender: Female Birth Place: Oxton Civil Parish: Shoreditch County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 123 Crondall Street, Hoxton N E Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: NONE Registration district: Shoreditch Registration District Number: 16 Sub-registration district: Shoreditch South ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Piece: 1335 Household Members: Name Age Emily Ekins 40 Esther Ekins 18 Emma Ekins 13 Thomas Ekins 11 Esther Smith 61
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ArgyllGran
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24 Jul 2016 17:44 |
Esther's also born Stepney per 1871 Kathleen posted the FMP version, here's Ancestry's, and Stepney is what the image says:
Esther Smith in the 1871 England Census Name: Esther Smith Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Edward Smith Gender: Female Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour Hoxton County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Household schedule number: 94 Piece: 458 Folio: 63 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Edward Smith 23 Esther Smith 20 Emily Smith 1
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KathleenBell
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24 Jul 2016 17:38 |
I wonder if Esther's maiden name was Baker rather than Gwillim as I can't find an Esther Gwilliam from Stepney (which is where she gives as her birth place on the 1881 census) but there is this Esther Baker from Stepney in the 1861 census:-
First name(s) Esther Last name Baker Relationship Scholar Marital status - Gender Female Age 9 Birth year 1852 Occupation Scholar Birth town - Birth town as transcribed - Birth county - Birth county as transcribed - Birth place (other) Not Known Birth place other as transcribed N K Street - Parish Stepney City or borough - County London, Middlesex Country England Municipal ward
She is in the workhouse school.
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KathleenBell
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24 Jul 2016 17:31 |
Edward and Esther in the 1871 census:-
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Grange Street, Shoreditch, London, England
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Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Smith Head - Male 23 1848 - Suffolk, England Esther Smith Wife - Female 20 1851 - Middlesex, England Emily Smith Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Middlesex, England
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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24 Jul 2016 17:29 |
Name: Edward J Ekins Birth Date: abt 1869 Date of Registration: Jun 1938 Age at Death: 69 Registration district: Shoreditch Inferred County: London Volume: 1c Page: 85
1939 register
REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION Ekins Household (1 Person) 14 Charles Square , Shoreditch, London, England Start free family tree View original imagePrint FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION Emily Ekins 14 Mar 1871 Domestic Duties widow Ref: RG101/0502J/005/35 Letter Code: ATBX
Seems to be living in a house with other people
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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24 Jul 2016 17:22 |
Just because they came up
Edward Ekins Estimated birth year: abt 1890 Age: 28 Spouse: Maud Lilian Bird Spouse Age: 28 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 2 Jul 1918 Parish: St John, Hoxton Borough: Hackney Father Name: Edward James Ekins Spouse Father: Edwin James Bird
Name: Esther Ekins Estimated birth year: abt 1893 Age: 24 Spouse: Arthur Easey Spouse Age: 26 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 21 Mar 1917 Parish: St Mark, Shoreditch Borough: Hackney Father Name: Edward James Ekins Spouse Father: Henry James Easey Register Type: Parish Register
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24 Jul 2016 17:19 |
1901 census
Record Image VIEW View blank form Add Alternative Information Report issue Name: Edward J Ekins Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Emily Ekins Birth Place: Hoxton, London, England Civil Parish: Shoreditch Search Photos: Search for 'Shoreditch' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Hoxton County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation:market porter
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Hoxton New Town ED, institution, or vessel: 05 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 270 Folio: 142 Page Number: 30 Household schedule number: 227 Household Members: Name Age Edward J Ekins 32 Emily Ekins 30 Arthur J Ekins 10 Esther A Ekins 8 Emma Ekins 3 Thomas W Ekins 1
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KathleenBell
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24 Jul 2016 17:19 |
This is Edward and Esther in the 1881 census:-
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 81, Rushton Street, Shoreditch, London, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Smith Head Married Male 33 1848 Butchers Journeyman Rumburgh, Suffolk, England Esther Smith Wife Married Female 29 1852 - Stepney, Middlesex, England Emily Smith Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Hoxton, Middlesex, England Edward G Smith Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
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LondonBelle
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24 Jul 2016 17:17 |
Given the date of birth of 14 Mar 1871 in the 1939 Register there is this Baptism ?
Name: Emily Louisa Smith Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 30 Apr 1871 Date of Birth : 14 Mar 1871 Father's name: Edward Smith Occ Butcher Mother's name: Esther Smith Address: 6 Hyde Street Parish or Poor Law Union: Bloomsbury St George Borough: Camden Register Type: Parish Registers
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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24 Jul 2016 17:16 |
1891 census
Record Image VIEW View blank form Add Alternative Information Report issue Name: Edward Ekins Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emily Ekins Gender: Male Where born: Shoreditch, London, England Civil Parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Street address:51 Rushton Street
Occupation:brass polisher
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Shoreditch Sub registration district: Hoxton Old Town ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 250 Folio: 14 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Edward Ekins 22 Emily Ekins 20 Arthur Ekins 5/12
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LondonBelle
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24 Jul 2016 17:14 |
One of Edward & Emily's sons was, I believe, called Thomas William. On his WW1 Service Record he gives his Next of Kin as Edward (which is crossed through) and replaced with Emily (Mother) address 14 Charles Square.
On the 1939 Register there is an entry for Emily Ekins 14 Mar 1871 Widowed living at 14 Charles Square, Shoreditch.
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KathleenBell
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24 Jul 2016 16:50 |
This one is a possibility:-
First name(s) EDWARD Last name SMITH Marriage quarter 4 Marriage year 1871 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ EDWARD SMITH married one of these people >>>>>>>>>>>>>ESTHER GWILLIM<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ELIZABETH ANNE LUXTON District SHOREDITCH District number - County London Country England Volume 1C Page 347 Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
I don't know London but there is also this possibility: (EDIT - this one is the most likely - see later posts)
First name(s) EDWARD Last name SMITH Marriage quarter 2 Marriage year 1870 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ EDWARD SMITH married one of these people HARRIET JANE SEWELL, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ESTHER BAKER<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< District ST. GILES District number - County London Country England Volume 1B Page 754 Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
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Brian
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24 Jul 2016 16:09 |
I know that Emily Louisa Smith married Edward James Ekins in 1890 at Shoreditch Register Office and that they were 2 of my Great Grandparents. I believe that Emily's parents were Edward & Esther Smith and that Emily was born about 1871. Does anyone know Esther Smith's maiden name. I have thoughts on it but will keep them to myself in the hope that someone out there comes up with the same name. Thanks in expectation. Brian Ekins.
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