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but born in Ireland c 1841. Parents were Bridget Maguire and Michael John Collins (sometimes written Collens) appears on the Wales 1851 census but then no trace. Various family researchers have looked for him but I see no progress was ever made. Michael was a Master Tailor, and although subsequent sons went down the mines, I wonder if this Thomas being the eldest son followed his fathers trade??? Any ideas out there?

1851 for reference

Name: Thomas Collens
[Thomas Collins]
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's name: Michael Collens
Mother's name: Bridget Collens
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish or Township: Argoed
Ecclesiastical parish: Bistree
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Holywell
Sub-registration district: Flint
ED, institution, or vessel: 9b
Piece: 2501
Folio: 521
Page Number: 26
Household schedule number: 106
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Collens 47
Bridget Collens 37
Thomas Collens 10
Peter Collens 8
Martha Collens 1
Mary Felprin 18

Andy

Hi Andrew, thank you, I have this, and this alone on Tom; sorry, I should have stated that in my intro. But what happens next I really don't know….He would be 20 by the next census - if he survived of course. I do wonder if he went back to Ireland but if so, it will be impossible to find him! His father was from? Cork, and his mother from Tipperary ………….. Collins is a common name amongst both! :-( :-(

????


Collins
Massachusetts Deaths and Burials
Name Collins
Gender Male
Death Date 21 Jul 1881
Death Place Medway, Norfolk, Massachusetts
Father's Name Michael Collins
Mother's Name Bridget Mcgaw Collins

now that is interesting …..I never really looked at travel as all the rest of them clung together, but I may explore that just to see. Thank you.

Eunice ..............

just a point of interest for you.

Andrew posted the 1851 Census "for reference" ................. in other words for the help of the other helpers.

You did reference finding him in the 1851 census, from which we could infer that you had the census information, but the helpers do not!

We have to get our heads around the family, to know other members of the family etc, so that we can search.

???
1870 USA census

Name: Thomas Collins
Age in 1870: 30
Birth Year: abt 1840
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1870: Brookline, Norfolk, Massachusetts
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Brookline
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
occ coachman

and this one
Name: Thomas Collins
Age in 1870: 28
Birth Year: abt 1842
Birthplace: Ireland
Home in 1870: Brookline, Norfolk, Massachusetts
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Brookline
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Collins 28
Bridget Collins 29

he is a coachman too
its not an uncommon name though and loads born c1840

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1105736

(old, but looked to relate)

Eunice Report 22 Nov 2008 23:35
Michael Collins (Collens, on Welsh 1851 census) lived at Buckley Rd Buckley, Flintshire. Married to Bridget; possibly came from Cork, had children Thomas, Peter and Martha. Peter eventually married an Anne Griffith. No trace of Michael or Bridget after 1851 - they were aged 47 and 37 respectively then. I suppose they could have gone back to Ireland but just wondered if they appear in anyone else's tree?

Chris :)

(FMP version below)

(1851 Find My Past)
Michael Collins Head Married Male 47 1804 Tailor Master Ireland
Bridget Collins Wife Married Female 37 1814 - Ireland
Thomas Collins Son - Male 10 1841 - Ireland
Peter Collins Son - Male 8 1843 - Ireland
Martha Collins Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Mold, Flintshire, Wales
Mary Filprin Visitor - Female 18 1833 Pedler In Small Wares Not Known (says Sister on image)
Street Buckley Road
Parish Argoed
County Flintshire
Registration district Holywell
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2501
Folio 521
Page 26


(reference Marriage below)

Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)
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COLLINS Peter Gt. Boughton 8a 431
GRIFFITH Ann Gt Boughton 8a 431


Births Mar 1851 (>99%)
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Collins Bridget Gr Boughton 19 38

Deaths Jun 1851 (>99%)
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Collins Bridget Boughton Gt 19 35


Births Jun 1849 (>99%)
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Collins Michael G Boughton 19 41

Deaths Dec 1852 (>99)
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Collins Michael Great Boughton 8a 228

(did above relate anywhere?)


http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced

(above available now, since old 'Thread', can often be useful!)


Edits (although not relevant to Thomas query, did that Foulkes reference get sorted?, trying to make 'head or tail' of!, reference below, or did you manage to find Birth of Jane Collins?)

1861 (Find My Past)
John Foulkes Head Married Male 42 1819 Labourer Flintshire, Wales
Margt Foulkes Wife Married Female 45 1816 House Keeper Ireland
Peter Collins Son - Male 17 1844 Collier Ireland
Martha Collins Daughter - Female 12 1849 Scholar Buckley, Flintshire, Wales
Jane Collins Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Buckley, Flintshire, Wales
Town Leeswood
County Flintshire
Country Wales
Registration district Holywell
Enumeration district 8
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 4275
Folio number 37
Page number 12


?
Marriages Jun 1858 (>99%)
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Collins Bridget Holywell 11b 494
FOULKES John Holywell 11b 494
Morgan Ellen Holywell 11b 494
O'Brien Thomas Holywell 11b 494

thanks Chris and yes I have that old stuff, I just thought I would see if fresh eyes could find hi. He may remain elusive for a long time yet!!! Thanks for your trouble anyway.

Eunice