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Gwenda
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12 Aug 2016 23:10 |
Thank you all, very much indeed. Yes, I am confident, at this stage, that the Jeremiah, Ann, & Sarah Ann, Gloucester, is "our" family. As mentioned, our g.grandmother Sarah Ann married in Christchurch NZ 1877. Our family seem to have no records that indicate other members of her family emigrated to NZ, although I have seen the Mann surname in Papers Past Christchurch. In NZ, our Census records are NOT available in the way the UK Govt allows. This does restrict research here. Your Parish Register information is amazing. Such a wonderful trove of BDM detail. Gwenda Alloway. NZ.
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SylviaInCanada
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11 Aug 2016 07:48 |
from that family search site
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FSTJ-73J
Sarah A Harris
New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Passenger Lists
Name Sarah A Harris Event Type Immigration Event Date 21 Jan 1875 Event Place Canterbury, New Zealand Gender Female Marital Status Single Departure Date 1874 Arrival Port Canterbury Arrival Place Canterbury
Looking at the image .................... this is NOT your Sarah!!!!!
She is aged 15 on the image
This appears to be the family Harris that has been referenced as your Sarah Ann Mann. I have added the ages as shown on the image of the ship's manifest ............ Willm Harris Immigration 21 Jan 1875 Canterbury, New Zealand Male Married Oxon Laborer 1874 Canterbury Canterbury age 41 Eliza Harris Immigration 21 Jan 1875 Canterbury, New Zealand Female Married 1874 Canterbury Canterbury age 39 Sarah A Harris Immigration 21 Jan 1875 Canterbury, New Zealand Female Single 1874 Canterbury Canterbury age 15 Emma Harris Immigration 21 Jan 1875 Canterbury, New Zealand Female Single 1874 Canterbury Canterbury age 13 Mary Harris Immigration 21 Jan 1875 Canterbury, New Zealand Female Single 1874 Canterbury Canterbury age 11 George Harris Immigration 21 Jan 1875 Canterbury, New Zealand Male Single 1874 Canterbury Canterbury age 8 Hannah Harris Immigration 21 Jan 1875 Canterbury, New Zealand Female Single 1874 Canterbury Canterbury age 4 Jane Harris Immigration 21 Jan 1875 Canterbury, New Zealand Female Single age 1
I repeat ...... this is not YOUR Sarah Ann Mann
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SylviaInCanada
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11 Aug 2016 06:49 |
This was on a Public Family Tree on ancestry re Sarah's emigration / immigration ..........
Immigration About 21 Jan 1875 • Canterbury, New Zealand
Departed 3 November, 1874
Citing this Record "New Zealand, Immigration Passenger Lists, 1855-1973," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FSTJ-73J : accessed 12 Jan 2013), Sarah A Harris, 21 Jan 1875.
Obviously taken from the family search site.
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Chris Ho :)
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11 Aug 2016 06:27 |
Births MANN George MANN MANN (Mother Maiden Name) HARRIS 1858 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 13 206 MANN George Henry Clay MANN MANN HARRIS 1861 Gloucester Gloucester, St Nicholas 13 28 MANN Priscilla MANN MANN HARRIS 1844 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 3 390
MANN Sarah Ann MANN MANN HARRIS 1855 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 10 484
Death MANN Ann 41 1861 Gloucester, South Hamlet 10 89
(above, from below link, worth a look Glos.)
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx
Chris :)
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792
(New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Passenger Lists, 1839-1973)
12 April 1887 - Gloucester Citizen - Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
DEATHS. Mann - April 6, at 48, Melbourne-street, Gloucester; Jeremiah Mann, aged 68 years.
1881 (Find My Past) Jerimiah Mann Head Widower Male 62 1819 Sewage Drainer Contractor Barnwood, Gloucestershire, England House number 48 Street Melbourne Street Parish Gloucester Barton St Michael County Gloucestershire Registration district Gloucester Archive reference RG11 Piece number 2536 Folio 110 Page 36
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
(Jeremiah on above, 1887)
Edits (looking at below image could be Priscilla, Father Jeremiah occ. Labourer)
All Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938 (Ancestry)
Marriage PAGE George MANNS Priscilla Gloucester Gloucester St Mary de Lode 1866 33 No 5 202
Marriages Sep 1866 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------- Manns Priscilla Gloucester 6a 466 PAGE George Gloucester 6a 466
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SylviaInCanada
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11 Aug 2016 05:32 |
This is the 1861 Census that you have, I presume?
1861 Census
Name: Jeremiah Mann Age: 42 Estimated birth year: 1819 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Barnwood, Gloucestershire, England Civil Parish: Barton St Michael Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England
Registration district: Gloucester Sub-registration district: South ED, institution, or vessel: 13a
Household schedule number: 346 Piece: 1768 Folio: 140 Page Number: 65
Jeremiah Mann 42 Labourer Priscilla Mann 17 John Mann 12 Labourer Sarah Mann 6 George Mann 3
Address:- Morton Street
This census was taken on the night of 7 April 1861
and the 1871 Census, with George and two of Hannah's children from her previous marriage
1871 Census
Name: Jeremiah Mann Age: 51 Estimated birth year: abt 1820 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Hannah Mann Gender: Male Where born: Gloucestershire, England Civil Parish: Barton St Michael County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Gloucester Sub-registration district: South Hamlet ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 37 Piece: 2621 Folio: 7 Page Number: 8
Jeremiah Mann 51 Labourer Hannah Mann 55 Laundress George Mann 14 Watchmaker Henry Allen 29 Imbecile Edmond Allen 18 Labourer
Address:- Morton Street, South Hamlet
This census was taken on the night of 2 April 1871
Looking at the date that the 1861 Census was taken, I think that this MIGHT be the burial of Ann Mann .............
Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1988
Name: Ann Mann Birth Year: abt 1820 Death Year: abt 1861 Death Age: 41 Burial Date: 17 Mar 1861 Parish: Gloucester, St James, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears: St James Register Type: Parish Registers
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Abode:- Tredworth
death registration from freebmd in case you want to buy her death certificate ........
Deaths Mar 1861 (>99%)
MANN Ann Gloucester 6a 189
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SylviaInCanada
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11 Aug 2016 05:18 |
out of interest, is this the baptism record for your Sarah Ann???
from ancestry
Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1913
Name: Sarah Ann Mann Baptism Date: 11 Mar 1855 Parish: Gloucester, St James, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears: St James Father: Jeremiah Mann Mother: Ann Mann Register Type: Parish Registers
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Address:- Marton Father occupation:- Labourer
and the baptisms of her full siblings ............
Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1913
Name: Priscilla Mann Baptism Date: 26 May 1844 Parish: Gloucester, St James, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears: St James Father: Jeremiah Mann Mother: Anne Mann Register Type: Parish Registers
Address:- St James, New Town
Name: George Mann Baptism Date: 28 Mar 1858 Parish: Gloucester, St James, Gloucestershire, England Father: Jeremiah Mann Mother: Ann Mann Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts
Address:- Brook St
Second marriage for Jeremiah (from freebmd)
Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%) Allen Hannah Gloucester 6a 505 Mann Jeremiah Gloucester 6a 505
Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name: Jeremiah Mann Birth Year: abt 1818 Gender: Male Marriage Date: 13 Nov 1864 Age: 46 Spouse: Hannah Allen Father: John Mann Event Type: Marriage Parish: Gloucester, St Luke, Gloucestershire Parish as it Appears: St Luke Register Type: Parish Registers
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Jeremiah Widower Occupation:- Labourer Address:- South Hamlet Father occupation:- Gardener
Hannah Widow Age: 46 Occupation:- Laundress Address:- South Hamlet Father Name and Occupation:- Elijah Johnson, Cabinet Maker
Witnesses:- Eliza Davis and John Webbings (or Welings)
First marriage?
Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name: Jeremiah Mann Gender: Male Marriage Date: 17 Sep 1843 Age: Of Full Age Spouse: Ann Harris Father: John Mann Event Type: Marriage Parish: Hempsted, Gloucestershire Parish as it Appears: Hempsted Register Type: Parish Registers
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Jeremiah Bachelor Occupation:- Labourer Address:- South Hamlet Father occupation:- Deceased
Ann Of Full Age Spinster no occupation shown Address:- South Hamlet Father Name and Occupation:- John Harris, Carpenter
Witnesses:- John Mann, Sarah Spiers, (their marks) and George Gibbs Parish Clerk
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Gwenda
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11 Aug 2016 04:42 |
Thank you so very, very much. We are sure that this will add valuable information to our search. We are extremely hopeful, bordering on confident that we are on the correct tree this time. Gwenda & John Alloway, NZ.
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Mike *
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11 Aug 2016 02:32 |
From someone's tree ...
Jeremiah Mann 1819–1887 Birth ABT 1819 • Barnwood, Gloucestershire, England Death 6 APR 1887 • Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
spouse Hannah Allen 1820–1860
children : Henry Allen 1842– Priscilla Mann 1844– Frederick J Mann 1848– John Mann 1850–1897 (died in Warwickshire) Edmond Allen 1853– Sarah Mann 1855– George Mann 1858–
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Gwenda
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11 Aug 2016 00:43 |
We are searching for Sarah Ann Mann, daughter of Jeremiah & Ann (Harris) Mann, born C1855 Gloucester. We do have a copy now, recently received, of Sarah Ann's b.cert. On searching through the Census we see that Jeremiah was a widower in 1861 & seems to have re-married a Hannah Allen by 1871. At least 2 step-sons, Edmund & Henry Allen are listed. Our g.grandmother, Sarah Ann Mann was married to George Alloway of Bath, in Christchurch NZ, 1877. Please can anyone help with knowledge of Sarah Ann's emigration to Australia or NZ? The shipping records are frequently incomplete. Any information as to if Sarah's brothers & sister (C1861) also emigrated or remained in England? George & Sarah Ann settled in north Canterbury NZ, near a little town Oxford. They worked & lived on a large farm & raised a large family. Gwenda & John Alloway, NZ.
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