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And another PM -

Thank you for your help. I will now try adoptions Legal or by arrangement.
BILL

Thinking aloud -

assuming Betty and Daniel remained married, if she had died before he did, then it would have been in or near Hendon - but there's no apparent record of that.

So presumably she outlived him.
It's possible that she's still alive, even if born just after her parents married.

It would seem reasonable to assume that her official name was Betty, and not Elizabeth, as she was married as Betty, and is Betty in all the ER's.

Doesn't solve the question of her birth, however!

PM from Bill -


Se was living in the MSQs Mill hill in 1961that I know. And she had children how many I don't know
BILL



Shirley has already posted that Betty was with Daniel in 1965.

Re children, if in England/Wales, there's only one possible Fraser / Elliot birth - in Darlington in 1955. No idea if relevant or not.
If in Scotland, it's impossible to find out, as Fraser's such a common name, and mms can't be factored in to the search.

Perhaps she was Mary Elizabeth??

Births:
1 1916 ELLIOT ELIZABETH F CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/03 0541
2 1920 ELLIOT ELIZABETH MCLAR F DALRY AND GORGIE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/08 0981
3 1923 ELLIOT MARY ELIZABETH F GEORGE SQUARE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/05 1491
4 1923 ELLIOT MARY ELIZABETH F ST BERNARD EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/01 0479

Bill -
you say Betty had three brothers, but you give four names. One of them must be a middle name - which one?

As the parents married in 1914, maybe the Bessie I mentioned earlier could be the right person after all. (However, the middle name may indicate this isn't her, as there's no middle name mentioned at marriage.)

She would have been 9 years older than Daniel. This is her birth, just in case:

1915 ELLIOT BESSIE LOCKHART F ST GILES EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/04 1192

You can view the image of the original for a few credits on SP.

I received this pm from Bill a few days ago.

My Info is my aunt Betty and Danny Fraser lived at 22 Loganlea Loan Edinburgh in 1943 when they were married. Her age is not given 0n her marriage certificate. she had 3 brothers William Lachlan Alex and Douglas and one sister Agness. It is her Birth certificate that I cant find at the GROS in Edinburgh.

Wonder if this is Mona?


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

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First name(s) Mona
Last name McBean
Relationship Boarder
Marital status Single
Gender Female
Age 16
Birth year 1885
Occupation Scholar
Birth town Nairn
Birth town as transcribed NAIRN
Birth county Nairnshire
Birth county as transcribed NAIRNSHIRE
Birth place Scotland
Street Ettrick Road
Town -
Parish Edinburgh



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ellandonan, Old Edinr Road, Inverness, Invernessshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth MacBean Head Married Female 42 1849 Living On Pte Means Invernessshire, Scotland
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Grace M MacBean Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Invernessshire, Scotland
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Arthur F MacBean Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar England
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Lizzie F MacBean Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar England
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Mona MacBean Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Nairn, Nairnshire, Scotland
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Annie Fraser Servant Unmarried Female 25 1866 General Dom Servt Ross & Cromarty, Scotland


and possible 1881.


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
28, Dane Hill, Wandsworth, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Arthur Mac Bean Head Married Male 31 1850 Accountants Clerk Invernessshire, Scotland
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Lizzie Mac Bean Wife Married Female 31 1850 - Invernessshire, Scotland
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Donald Mac Bean Son Single Male 3 1878 - Invernessshire, Scotland
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Grace Mac Bean Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Invernessshire, Scotland
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Marian Pearce Servant Single Female 27 1854 General Servant Cornwall, England
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Alice Regnor Servant Single Female 17 1864 Nurse Norfolk, England

Reply by pm from Bill:

"Father John Scott Elliot Mother Mona Elliot Nee McBean"

So parents married in 1914 Edinburgh

Can you give us any more information of any sort about Betty, Bill?

For instance, you say "last known at MSQs at Mill Hill Barracks "
What year was that? Even approximately?

Did she and Daniel have children - your cousins?

Please tell us everything on the marriage cert - any little clue might help.

Suggest getting the death cert of Daniel to see who was the informant and for any other info it may give

Hello Bill, who were listed as Betty's parents on the marriage certificate?

PM from Bill:

On Her Marriage cert No age is given very curious. I am working on the assumtion that She must have been over 16 which is the legal age of marriage in Scotland
BILL


Bill -
When you want to reply to a question on your thread, or to add anything else, please do so in the white box at the very end of the thread, below where it says "Add your reply". Then click "Submit".
That way all the helpers can see the added info, and not just one person .

Bill -
When was Betty born?
If we knew her birth date, we could probably find her death record.


There are no births of a Betty Elliot (or variation of spelling) in Edinburgh 1900-25, but 11 Elizabeths, per SP. (15 with names starting with Eliz . . .)

There's one Bessie, but born 1915, so several years older than Daniel:

she was him here
Name: Daniel F Fraser
Year: 1965
County or Borough: Hendon
Ward or Division/Constituency: Barnet
Street address: 62 Bittacy Hill
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/3027

married quarters

How about buying either his DC to see his maritial status and the informants name (£9.25) or a copy of his Letters of Administration (£10). https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

The Letters should tell you who all of his eligible heirs were - wife then children if she was deceased, followed by his parents or siblings

A bit on the Charlton Star.


Elisabethville was an 8,851 GRT ocean liner which was built in 1921 for Compagnie Belge Maritime du Congo. In 1930 the company became Compagnie Maritime Belge. She was used on the Antwerp - Matadi route.

In 1940, Elisabethville was requisitioned by the Ministry of War Transport (MoWT) for use as a troopship. She briefly returned to merchant service in 1946 before being requisitioned again in 1947 for further troopship duties, and rechristened the Empire Bure.

She was then laid up before being sold in 1950 to Charlton Steamship Co and was renamed Charlton Star. In 1958, she was sold to a Greek company and renamed Maristrella, serving until she was scrapped in 1960.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Elisabethville_(1921)

Name: Daniel Freeland Fraser
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Date: abt 1924
Departure Date: 29 Jul 1952
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Port Said, Egypt
Ship Name: Empire Trooper
Search Ship Database: Search for the Empire Trooper in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: P and O
Official Number: 168006
Master: R H A Bond O B E

Travelling alone, his address was 16 Le Cateau Line ? Catterick Camp, Yorkshire. He was a cinema projectionist and he was joining Charlton Star?



Name: Daniel Freeland Fraser
Birth Date: 8 Dec 1923
Date of Registration: Dec 1989
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Camden
Inferred County: London
Volume: 14
Page: 1932



National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995

Name: Daniel Freeland Fraser
Death Date: 20 Dec 1989
Death Place: Hendon London
Probate Date: 20 Mar 1900
Registry: Ipswich


of 19 Layfield Clo Hendon London. Not exceeding £100000.

Is this their marriage? You'll need to give us more info about Betty.

2 1943 FRASER DANIEL FREELAND ELLIOT BETTY CANONGATE AND PORTOBELLO EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN



EDIT There is a Daniel Freeland Fraser born in Edinburgh in 1924.

Need some dates, Bill
i used to go there in my youth for dances!! A Long time ago now.

I am trying to find any referance to my aunt Betty Born in Edinburgh last known at MSQs at Mill Hill Barracks :-)