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Natasha - you might well decide you need to buy some Irish BMD.certs.

You ought to know that the GRO for Ireland (I forget what they''re called now) will sell something cheaper, namely "uncertified" images of the original registers - it's even cheaper if you give the reference info. The only difference is for an official bmd.cert, someone digitally sticks the image on a certificate page, and a registrar certifies this is a true copy of the original entry and signs the page.

I exaggerated when I said "the only difference" - there is also a legal difference, and uncertified copies aren't accepted for purposes like establishing citizenship, or getting passports, etc.

Okay, thank you AustinQ

Hello Natasha,

I see from the other thread that you're struggling with the information given here.

Start at the beginning- do you have your Grandmother's marriage certificate?

The index for her marriage was posted earlier by Shirley:

First name(s) ESTHER
Last name RYAN
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1958
Spouse: GRAHAM H CARTER
District BOURNEMOUTH
County Dorset
Volume 6B Page 343

If you don't have the certificate you can order it here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

You can use the Volume and page number from above to order. Certificates cost £9.25. The marriage certificate will confirm who Esther's father is.

Mum says Alice is Agnes and she does live in Poole, we just never seen her for some reason but she was born Alice and everyone called her Agnes.

Peggy Marler had a son called David but he moved to Italy and had a family there.

Norah did not have any children.

Did not know Alice was in Poole, that's really strange?! Norah is in Poole as we always visit her and really close but no idea about Alice and Norah doesn't speak of her.

Also........check out the marriage for Alice Ryan in 1961.

And a daughter born the same year. (Apart from the daughters birth registration, I can find no further details about her)

Alice and hubby are on the 2002 Electoral Register living in Poole, Dorset.

http://www.searchelectoralroll.co.uk/Electoral_Roll_Search.asp

There was one child born to the Marler/Ryan marriage in 1954.

You can check it out on the FreeBMD site.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Except it's Jan- March 1925 registration, but Margaret's date of birth on the death is given as November 1925.

It's possible the death is a year out and she was born end November 1924 and registered January 1925?

so that death for Margaret Mary does tie with the right birth year of 1925

The indexes are on familysearch.org, but they seem a little muddled, listing five births in 1932. However, when you open the record it gives a different date. Perhaps they hadn't been registered when born and all registered together?? Anyway, these are the Ryan/ Caplice births in Tipperary in age order (thought it might be easier to see it in a list):


Mary Ryan Jan - Mar 1922

Ellen Ryan Jan - Mar 1923

Patrick Ryan Jan - Mar 1924

Margaret M Ryan Jan - Mar 1925

Andrew Ryan Oct - Dec 1928

Norah Ryan Jan - Mar 1930

Richard Ryan Apr - Jun 1931

Anna Ryan Jul - Sep 1932

Esther Ryan Apr - Jun 1935

Jeremiah Ryan Jan - Mar 1938

Alice Ryan Jul - Sep 1940

Rose Ryan Apr - Jun 1942
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https://familysearch.org

And Margaret but the birth year doesn't tie in with the birth
First name(s) MARGARET MARY
Last name MARLER
Gender Female
Birth day 20
Birth month 11
Birth year 1925
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 2006
District BOURNEMOUTH
District number 4271A
Register number A35D
Entry number 057
Date of registration mm/yy 0406
County Dorset
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007

This looks like John D Marler


First name(s) JOHN D
Last name MARLER
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1927
Age 39
Death quarter 2
Death year 1966
District BOURNEMOUTH
County Dorset
Volume 6B
Page 221
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd

JOHN D
Last name MARLER
Birth year 1927
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name LOADES
District SOUTHAMPTON
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2C
Page 78
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

Peggy is Margaret m and she married in 1952 to John d Marler

Norah married 1954 to Frederick P Marler

Both records are on FreeBMD

Norah and her husband were in Poole til 2008

Frederick was in a home in 2013

Then Norah was at the marital home till 2014 so looks like Frederick may have passed away

Well Esther's married cert should name her father


First name(s) ESTHER
Last name RYAN
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1958
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ESTHER RYAN married
GRAHAM H CARTER
Spouse's last name CARTER
District BOURNEMOUTH
District number -
County Dorset
Country England
Volume 6B
Page 343
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

Norah Ryan
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958


birth:

January 1930 / March 1930

Tipperary, Ireland


mother:

Caplice



Alice Ryan
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958


birth:

July 1940 / September 1940

Tipperary, Ireland


mother:

Caplice

Jeremiah Ryan

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
January 1938 / March 1938
Tipperary, Ireland
mother:
Caplice

Rose Ryan

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
April 1942 / June 1942
Tipperary, Ireland
mother:
Caplice

Alice Ryan

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
July 1940 / September 1940
Tipperary, Ireland
mother:
Caplice

Andrew Ryan

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
October 1928 / December 1928
Tipperary, Ireland
mother:
Caplice

Norah Ryan

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
January 1930 / March 1930
Tipperary, Ireland
mother:
Caplice

Richard Ryan

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
April 1931 / June 1931
Tipperary, Ireland
mother:
Caplice

Patrick Ryan

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
January 1932 / March 1932
Tipperary, Ireland
mother:
Caplice

Mary Ryan

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
January 1932 / March 1932
Tipperary, Ireland
mother:
Caplice

Ellen Ryan

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
January 1932 / March 1932
Tipperary, Ireland
mother:
Caplice

Margaret M Ryan

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
January 1932 / March 1932
Tipperary, Ireland
mother:
Caplice

Anna Ryan

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
July 1932 / September 1932
Tipperary, Ireland
mother:
Caplice

Esther Ryan

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
April 1935 / June 1935
Tipperary, Ireland
mother:
Caplice



from

https://familysearch.org/search/

Esther Ryan
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958


birth:

April 1935 / June 1935

Tipperary, Ireland


mother:

Caplice



Patrick Ryan
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958


birth:

January 1932 / March 1932

Tipperary, Ireland


mother:

Caplice


Mary Ryan
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958


birth:

January 1932 / March 1932

Tipperary, Ireland


mother:

Caplice



Ellen Ryan
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958


birth:

January 1932 / March 1932

Tipperary, Ireland


mother:

Caplice



Margaret M Ryan
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958


birth:

January 1932 / March 1932

Tipperary, Ireland


mother:

Caplice



Anna Ryan
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958


birth:

July 1932 / September 1932

Tipperary, Ireland


mother:

Caplice



Jeremiah Ryan
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958


birth:

January 1938 / March 1938

Tipperary, Ireland


mother:

Caplice



Richard Ryan
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958


birth:

April 1931 / June 1931

Tipperary, Ireland


mother:

Caplice

Ireland Births 1864-1958 Transcription

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First name(s) Richard
Last name Ryan
Registration year 1931
Registered quarter/year Apr - Jun 1931
Registration district Tipperary
Volume 3
Page 390
Mother's last name (original) Caplice
County Limerick, Tipperary
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Births 1864-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Ireland

ellen caplice married 1 of these men

Thomas Looby, John Fowers, Richard Ryan, John Lavin
it might be richard ryan