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Chris Ho, Oh my goodness I made contact with this lady (Donna from the thread you posted a link too) just a few days ago as I stumbled on her Ancestry tree and saw an exact photo that I have. I have only last weekend found out the names of the adults in it and went searching and found Donnas tree. In the photo are Ivy with her parents Albert and Fanny taken about 1922 or 1923. Probably not long after they arrived in NZ. Also in this photo are my father in law, his brother and his sister Elsie. The grandparents of these 3 little children were William and Ellen Titcombe. Ellen's maiden name was Osborn.
Elsie was named after the Elsie Titcombe who was witness to the marriage of Albert and Fanny and was the daughter of William amd Ellen.
I hope that makes sense.
Donna the lady who was asking questions is away at the moment but on her return home to NZ I hope to be in contact with her.
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https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-84068.html?s=009a875d5587ec42fed0e87ec18ffd8d
(relates also from somebody!. Fanny/Albert)
Chris :)
(reference from Mary 1891, as below on FMP)
1891 (Find My Past)
Edwin Walkin Head Married Male 65 1826 Press Tool Maker Harborne, Staffordshire, England
Ann Walkin Wife Married Female 51 1840 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Annie Walkin Daughter Single Female 16 1875 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Sydney Walkin Son Single Male 15 1876 Bicycle Fitter Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Albert Walkin Son Single Male 8 1883 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Street Camden Street
Parish Birmingham
City Birmingham County Warwickshire
Registration district Birmingham
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 2370
Folio 5
Page 4
http://www.hunimex.net/warwick/freecens/2370.html
(1891 also on above, Walker)
1881 (Find My Past)
Edwin Walker Head Married Male 55 1826 Press Tool Maker Harborne, Staffordshire, England
Ann Walker Wife Married Female 41 1840 - Warwick, Warwickshire, England
Ellen Walker Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Laquerer Warwick, Warwickshire, England
Annie Walker Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Warwick, Warwickshire, England
Sidney Walker Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Warwick, Warwickshire, England
House name Back Of No 6
Street New Street
Parish Aston
County Warwickshire
Registration district Aston
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 3040
Folio 10
Page 12
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Passenger List - 22 June 1922 on the Athenic. From Southampton to Wellington.......Albert Walker age 40, Mrs Walker age 40 and Ivy Walker age 13.
Address at time 168 Brantley Road, Witto , Birmingham,
1911 Census Albert Walker 29yrs and Fanny 29yrs with Ivy 2yrs are at 34 George St. West, Birmingham as caretakers for the minister of the Church of England, Alexander Durham
Marriage of Albert Walker and Fanny George held October 1907 at St Peter and Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Ivy Walker born 4 July 1908
Now to track back to Alberts birth and Fanny's birth.
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Thank you everyone.......it will take me a wee while to sort the above info. I will start with Ivy and work backwards. A person I have found who has a connection to Ivy is on holiday for a few weeks so I can't ask about details on her tree. Actually she has two with conflicting information.........giving me a real headache!!!!!
From what I can work out there are two Edwin Walkers. One, Edwin Walker and the other Edwin George Walker just to confuse me.
It's a wet day here in NZ so a good day for research.
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E Walker 73 born @ 1823 Press Tool Maker departed Liverpool on the Bothnia 8/10/1896 going to Boston USA
Edwin Walker 73 married? from Birmingham a Press Tool Maker going to Concord USA arrived Boston 18/10/1896.
So where is he + family in 1891??
I'am sure this is the same Edwin who married Mary Ann Osborne and had Albert Walker.
Edit found them
1891 Ladywood D20 > 5
33,Camden Street
Edwin WACKER 1826 Press Tool Maker.
Ann age 51
Annie 16
Sydney 15
ALBERT 8 (your Albert Walker)
Maryb.
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Mary......My Edwin Walker was a widower in 1873 when he married Mary Anne Osborne. I am not so sure about him going to the USA.
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Maybe Ellen didn't know her father's name if she wasn't the daughter of James Rowe, who was never on any census returns with Emma nee Osborn/e.
Emma Rowe did remarry 1916 to Charles E Tullett she died Dec 1918 and then he married her sister Feb 1919 Charlotte Summers nee Osborn/E.
If Albert named his dad Bert and was Actually Edwin walker then maybe that was the case with Ellen.
tree suggests Edwin Walker 1825 Harborn/e Staffordshire a Toolmaker on census returns and Mary Ann Ward had son Alfred Henry Walker @ 1849 he married Kate A Walton and emigrated to USA @1885.
1881 Aston Manor D19>23
Alfred Henry Walker son of Edwin and Mary Ann
2 doors away Richard Whitmore 33
Mary Ann 32
Mary Ann Whitmore 12.
1891 Mary Ann Whitmore a lodger with Emma Rowe nee Osborn/e.
Is there a connection there?
1910 says Alfred M Walker 60
Kate A 58
Clara A 24
Edwin father widow age 85.
Edwin walker 9/5/1825 died Concord new Hampshire USA 14/1/1918.
Maryb.
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Maryb
That certainly sounds possible. The name being Ann instead of Mary Ann on the census was something I had overlooked.
To add to the mix on Ellen's marriage cert it says her father was William Osborn!!!!
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Mary Ann Osborn/e 1840 who is Ann on 1841 census with parents James and Ann.
She had sister Emma @1846 who married James Rowe 1864.
In 1871 Ladywood Birmingham D22>5 Lower King Edward road
Emma Rowe married 27
Emily Rowe age 3
Ann Osborne 1812 mum
Ellen Osborne 1864 (Emma's daughter)
1881 Ladywood D33 >17
Emma no Ellen with her
21/3/1880 John Titcombe marries Clara Colesby witnessed by
William Titcombe and Ellen Osborn
1881 Ellen marries from Henry Street the address of John and Clara Titcombe
I cannot find any sign of Ellen in 1881,William at home of parents.
1891 St George D1 > 16
Emma Rowe
1891 St George D22.18
190,Summer Lane
Ellen and William Titcombe.
So could Ellen who married William Titcombe be the niece of Mary Ann Osborn who married Edwin Walker 1873 and had Albert walker who died in New Zealand.
Although he gives dads name as Bert on his marriage to Fanny George his death cert who someone claims to have states his parents as Edwin and Mary Ann Walker nee Osborn.
Maryb.
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greyghost, those are the threads about Ellen that you have found. I was looking for other members of the Titcombe family at that time.
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I am not convinced his name is Edwin. I got that from an ancestry tree and that is why I am searching.
Yes I saw that the name was Bert on the marriage cert but thought it could be just what he was known as.
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I'm still not sure how you have got back to Albert's parents as Edwin Walker & Mary Ann Osborn as his Marriage Cert gives his Father as Bert?
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The only Albert (no initials) Walker born Birmingham 1881 +/- 2 years
His birth certificate should name his parents - I presume you haven't got it as you say you believe possibly his parents to be Edwin Walker and Mary Ann Osborn. Chris' post shows Father as Bert
England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription
First name(s) ALBERT
Last name WALKER
Birth year 1881
Birth quarter 2
District BIRMINGHAM
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 6D
Page 108
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greyghost.........Yes that is the right family in 1911.
Chris Ho, I think we may be on track. The address of Summer Row is also the same street that Elsie Titcombe and her 2 brothers, Ernest and Leonard lived with their parents, Wiliam and Ellen Titcombe. Ellen's maiden name on her marriage cert (which I have) is Osborn.
Ellen has always been my brick wall going back. I have never been able to find her parents. On the marriage cert it states William Osborn as her father. Many on here tried to help find her to no avail. She was born about 1861 or 1862.
I'm going to have a busy time trying to match things up.
Thank you everyone :)
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Fanny in 1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, Golden Hillock Road, Aston, Warwickshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frederick William Twist Head Widower Male 82 1819 Retired Grocer Birmingham, Warwickshire,
Elizabeth Twist Daughter Single Female 55 1846 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Howard Walley Ashwell Grand Son Single Male 24 1877 Clerk At Gun Factory Cheshire,
Percy Ashwell Grand Son Single Male 19 1882 Bank Clerk Cheshire, England
Fanny George Servant Single Female 19 1882 General Servant Domestic Evesham, Worcestershire,
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Is this your family in 1911
On the original, Alexander Charles Birthplace has taken 2 lines and has therefore distorted the other places, a line has been drawn between names and places to show the actual
The transcription should read
Alexander Durham - St George, Perry Hill, Catford, Lewisham, Kent
Albert Walker - Birmingham
Fanny Walker - Evesham, Worcestershire
Ivy Walker (Daug) - Birmingham Age 2
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
34 George St West Birmingham, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Alexander Charles Durham Head Single Male Priest Of The Church England 27 1884 St Georges Perry Hill
Albert Walker Servant Married Male Caretaker 29 1882 Salford Leninhm Kent
Fanny Walker Servant Married Female Caretaker Wife 29 1882 Birmingham Evesham Worcestershire
Married 3 years, 1 child born and still living
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(For reference Ellen Osborn Marriage, below)
Chris :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=729878.45
Solemnised at St Mathews Church in the Parish of Aston, in the County of Warwick on 28 December 1881.
William TITCUMB, age 21, Bachelor, Ivory T Bone Turner,. residence - 229 Heneage Street, Father - William TITCUMB, Bone cutter.
Ellen OSBORN, age 20, Spinster, residence - Back 79, Henry Street, Father - William OSBORN (deceased).
In the presence of Harry PLEVEY and Harriet APPLEBY.
A notation at the side says that the name TITCUMB was corrected to TITCOMBE in the presence of William and Ellen TITCOMBE on 9 July 1919 by me Vicar Alfred Brown.
(other reference)
Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)
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Osborn Mary Ann Aston 6d 450
WALKER Edwin Aston 6d 450
(if the Father, Thomas and Clara witnesses mentioned for above 1873)
1861 (Find My Past)
James Osborn Head Married Male 51 1810 Packer Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Ann Osborn Wife Married Female 44 1817 - Newport, Shropshire, England
Lear M Osborn Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Emma Osborn Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Eliza Osborn Daughter - Female 14 1847 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Charlotte Osborn Daughter - Female 11 1850 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Clara Osborn Daughter - Female 9 1852 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Thomas Osborn Son - Male 7 1854 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Joseph Osborn Son - Male 5 1856 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Harriet Osborn Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Maria Jones Granddaughter - Female 6 1855 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
House number 2
House name 1 Court House
Street Summer Row
Parish Birmingham
Enumeration district 3
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 2151
Folio number 58
Page number 28
1851 (Find My Past)
James Osborne Head Married Male 40 1811 Similor Newport, Shropshire, England
Ann Osborne Wife Married Female 36 1815 Similor Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England
Elizabeth Osborne Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1835 Working At The Press Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Louisa Osborne Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 Working At The Press Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Maria Ann Osborne Daughter - Female 11 1840 Working At The Press Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Lear Osborne Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Hanna Osborne Daughter - Female 5 1846 School At The Press Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Eliza Osborne Daughter - Female 4 1847 School Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Charlotte Osborne - - Female 2 1849 School At The Press Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Parliamentary borough Borough of Birmingham
Municipal ward Saint George
Registration district Birmingham
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 2058
Folio 877
Page 22
Edits (looks like Elsie Titcombe witness on 1907 Marriage, was daughter of the William and Ellen Titcombe, as 1911, Yardley, Warwicks.)
Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%)
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Kirby William Birmingham 6d 249
Osborne Mary Leah Birmingham 6d 249
(above image available on below, has Mary Anne Osborne, witness, Father, James, Summer Row)
All Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 (Ancestry)
(just to add, at 137, Lichfield Road, 1911 is Alfred and Emma Dyson, Emma is Mother of Fanny George, they are all on 1891 Evesham, Worcs., but don't look to marry till later!)
Oliver Dyson
abt 1888 May Elizabeth Harrison 27 Dec 1909 Aston, St Peter and St Paul Alfred Dyson
(and from above Marriage image, Ancestry, witness Fanny Walker, 137, Lichfield Road, Address)
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According to Albert's Marriage Certificate his Father appears to be called Bert
Marriage 6 Oct 1907, St Peter & St Paul Aston Warwickshire
Groom. Albert Walker, age 25, Bac, Occ Boots
Father Bert Walker, occ Toolmaker
Bride Fanny George, age 26, Spinster
Father Fred George, occ Labourer
Abode for both. 137 Lichfield Road
Witnesses Henry Evans & Elsie Titcombe
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