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Ooops sorry haven' t been back to this thread and just seen all the census stuff. Have all the UK censi which they are on already except for 1871 when we presume James was in USA so that US 1870 census could be the correct one. James was a bit of a lad by all account and from stories I have found in old newspapers - petty crime. The child William born/died before thier marriage could relate to them. After they returned to UK they had 13 children born with 8 alive in 1911 so maybe William was one of the deceased ones ??? I think from somewhere which I can't find that the brother Mgt went to in US was named William. Yes she was very young when she travelled there alone. My second cousin theorises that maybe the family in Ireland were very poor and the parents died ??? As a matter of interest to you all James left the family in the 1900's and went off to Australia where he died in 1929. We speculated that he may have had another wife/family there but I have found his will and he left money to "some" of his children in the UK
Thanks everybody for your time Cheers Clare x

A long shot, but you never know???

James Laurence
United States Census, 1870
Name James Laurence
Event Type Census
Event Year 1870
Event Place Connecticut, United States
Gender Male
Age 22
Race White
Race (Original) W
Birth Year (Estimated) 1847-1848
Birthplace England, England
Page Number 37
Household

Samuel Rose M 59 Connecticut
Marget Rose F 48 Connecticut
Edward L Rose M 18 Connecticut
Lucy A Rose F 16 Connecticut
Lavina Ewin F 67 Connecticut
Emerson M Parker M 23 Massachusetts
E S Wiggins M 23 Connecticut
George Danning M 22 Connecticut
Dow M 22 Connecticut
Charles Schott M 22 Germany
James Laurence M 22 England, England
William Westtaned M 24 Connecticut
David J Jardine M 24 Connecticut
Edmond R Barnes M 23 England
Clarence Stephens M 21 Connecticut
Cyrus Bushnell M 21 Connecticut
Spalding M 21 New York
Hugh Raynolds M 26 Ireland
Alexander M 24 Connecticut
L H Drake M 28 Connecticut
William Cummings M 26 England, England
Frank W Parmelee M 17 Connecticut
Walter Griswald M 18 Connecticut

Not what asked but wondered if this was relevant to this couple?


Name James Lawrence
Gender Male
Wife Margaret
Son William Lawrence
Other information in the record of William Lawrence
from New Jersey, Births
Name William Lawrence
Event Type Birth
Event Date 05 Mar 1876
Event Place Trenton, Mercer, New Jersey, United States
Gender Male
Father's Name James Lawrence
Mother's Name Margaret

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Other information in the record of William Lawrence
from New Jersey, Deaths
Name William Lawrence
Event Type Death
Event Date 05 Mar 1876
Event Place Trenton, Mercer, New Jersey, United States
Gender Male
Age 0
Race w
Birth Year (Estimated) 1876
Birthplace Trenton
Father's Name James Lawrence
Mother's Name Margaret Lawrence

Just for ref. the family back in England in 1881 census:-

Name: James Lawrence
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret J Lawrence
Gender: Male
Where born: Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: Blakenhall Heath
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2247
Folio: 69
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
James Lawrence 42
Margaret J Lawrence 34 born: Ireland
Percy C Lawrence 10 born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Ethel M Lawrence 8
Ernest A Lawrence 7
Carrie Lawrence 6
Myra Lawrence 4
Sydney Lawrence 3
Berte Lawrence 6/12
Walter H Coates 10
Florence K Townsend 16
...................................................

James in 1861, for his parents names as sometimes easier to find records in usa with this info:-

Name: James Lawrence
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: 1849
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas Lawrence
Mother's name: Mary Lawrence
Gender: Male
Where born: Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: Bloxwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Boot and Shoe Maker
Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Bloxwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 179
Piece: 2012
Folio: 107
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lawrence 37
Mary Lawrence 36
Mariah Lawrence 14
James Lawrence 12
Jane Lawrence 11
Thomas Lawrence 9
Lucy Ann Lawrence 7
Harry Lawrence 6
Martha Lawrence 3
Jonah Lawrence 9/12

I believe this is the family in 1881. Last name I assume is Percy Curtis aged 4 months.

James Laurence

in the 1881 England Census
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Name: James Laurence
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Margaret J. Laurence
Gender: Male
Where born: Brownhills, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 84 The Green
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Boot Maker Master (Employing 2 Boys)
Registration district: Walsall
Sub registration district: Bloxwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2821
Folio: 146
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
James Laurence 32
Margaret J. Laurence 23
Peay Curtis Laurence

https://wwwnet1.state.nj.us/DOS/Admin/ArchivesDBPortal/index.aspx

(Marriage Records, May 1848 - May 1878)

(strange, not seeing Marriage on above!)

Chris :)

James & Margaret Jane Lawrence are on many trees on Ancestry but none give her maiden name. They say she was born 1857 Enniskillen, Fermanagh, Ireland. If that is true was she only 9 years old when she emigrated alone?

This one is curious! I can't find any record of her arriving in US, no record of them returning to UK. Also she should be on the 1870 US census but Ican't see her there.

Hi Chris - yes posted that but haven't really got any further. Mgt had a sister who remained in Ireland and never married. Have her on censi alone as Mary Anne if correct one but no proof.
M A Armstrong – born 05/04/1846 (Mill Street, Kesh, Co Fermanagh, Ireland)
died 13/02/1929 in Kesh, County Fermanagh

Mgt Jane went to USA alone in 1865 to join brother aged 17 who was already there. It was over there that she met James (who hailed from Bloxwich). They returned to Bloxwich, Walsall, Staffs together.

Rootgatherer - don't have them on any US census records

Cheers Clare

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1237101?d=asc

(might relate here with a bit of info.)

Chris :)

Clare, do you have her emigration records please? Perhaps she emigrated with other family members. Do you have her on any U. S. census records please?

Thanks so much...seems I'll never find my great great grandparents names now. Yes Elizabeth is where they lived before coming back to UK and 2 of my grandmother's sisters moved back there. Again many thanks for the look-up

No more info on it

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First name(s) Margt J
Last name Armstrong
Sex Female
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Event Marriage
Year 1876
Event date 21 Sep 1876
Location -
County Union
State New Jersey
Country United States
Spouse's first name(s) James
Spouse's last name Lawrence
Spouse's sex Male
Spouse's father's first name(s) -
Spouse's father's last name -
Spouse's mother's first name(s) -
Spouse's mother's last name -
FamilySearch film number 001301686
Record set United States Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from United States
FamilySearch

On the image it is noted that James is of Pittsburg and Margt of Eliz.

Eliz seems to be an abbreviation of Elizabeth as there are others on the same page and it seems to be the name of a district?

Hi All,
If anyone has a world sub on FMP it would be great if you could have a look at the following for me. Have come to a brick wall with Margt's parents as they came from Ireland and she went USA and married before returing to UK.

Marriage on FMP in 1876, United States Marriages, Union, New Jersey. Margt J Armstrong and James Lawrence

Many Thanks in Anticipation,
Cheers Clare