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28 Sep 2016 23:28 |
I have a relative Mary Ann Fletcher born 1845 in Walton Le Dale Preston Lancashire. Her father was John Fletcher and her mother was nee Sandham. Her parents must have been married before 1837 as I can't find any marriage. Mary Ann married Barnaby Hull who was born 1843 in Preston and married Mary Ann in 1865 in Preston. His father was James Hull and mother was nee Myerscough. They also married before 1837. Both fathers died before the children married. James Hull possibly 1855/56 and John Fletcher 1853? Can anyone suggest anything. Pat
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28 Sep 2016 23:34 |
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Lancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 Record Image View
Name: Isabella Myerscough Gender: Female Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 23 Jan 1825 Parish: Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Poulton-le-Fylde' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Spouse: James Hull Register Type: Parish Register
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in the 1841 England Census
Name: James Hull Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1806 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Preston Hundred: Amounderness County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 499 Book: 4 Folio: 6 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age James Hull 35 Innkeeper Isabella Hull 35 Ellen Hull 15 Christopher Hull 12 Isabella Hull 10 William Hull 6 Elizabeth Hull 4 James Hull 2
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28 Sep 2016 23:37 |
ancashire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Isabella Sandon Gender: Female Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 14 Nov 1836 Parish: Walton-le-dale, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Walton-le-dale' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Spouse: John Fletcher Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
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in the 1841 England Census
Name: John Fletcher Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Brindle Hundred: Leyland County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Chorley Sub-registration district: Brindle Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 525 Book: 1 Folio: 22 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age John Fletcher 25 Isaba Fletcher 25 James Fletcher 3 Elizabeth Fletcher 1 Richd Fletcher 15
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28 Sep 2016 23:41 |
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Crown Street, Preston, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Fletcher Head Married Male 38 1813 Cotton Warper Fulwood, Lancashire, England Transcription Isabella Fletcher Wife Married Female 38 1813 Power Loom Weaver Lancashire, England Transcription James Fletcher Son Unmarried Male 13 1838 Power Loom Weaver Lancashire, England Transcription Elizabeth Fletcher Daughter - Female 11 1840 Nurse Lancashire, England Transcription Thomas Fletcher Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Lancashire, England Transcription Mary Ann Fletcher Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Lancashire, England Transcription Joseph Fletcher Son - Male 4 1847 Scholar Lancashire, England Transcription John Crook Brother Married Male 63 1788 Cotton Warper Samlesbury, Lancashire, England
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28 Sep 2016 23:43 |
Marriage: 14 Nov 1836 St Leonard, Walton-le-Dale, Lancashire, England John Fletcher - (X), this Chapelry Isabella Sandon - (X), this Chapelry Witness: Robert Baldwin, (X); James Tomlison Married by Banns by: Walter Riky (Sub Curate) Register: Marriages 1830 - 1839 from the Bishop's Transcrpts, Page 109, Entry 327 Source: LDS Film 1502382
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28 Sep 2016 23:46 |
Thank you very much. I've copied these and will look into it. I don't know how you do it so quickly Pat
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29 Sep 2016 00:03 |
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Baptism: 2 Jul 1815 St Mary the Virgin, Egton cum Newland, Lancashire, England Isabella Sandham - Daughter of William Sandham & Isabella Abode: Smithygreen Occupation: Husbandman Baptised by: Jas. Burns Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1841 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Entry 71 Source: LDS Film 1040312
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29 Sep 2016 00:06 |
Marriage: 25 Jan 1825 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire, England James Hull - Bricklayer, this Parish Isabel Myerscough - (X), Spinster, this Parish Witness: Thomas Wade; Isabella Wade Married by Banns by: R. Bowness Curate Register: Marriages 1813 - 1834, Page 116, Entry 347 Source: LDS Film 1526408
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
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30 Sep 2016 03:07 |
Incidentally, if you look up a marriage on lan-opc, you can easily see the timewise surrounding marrs - for instance, I can see James Tomlison, a Fletcher-Sandon witness, is also a witness on 5 of the preceding marrs and 5 of the 6 following marrs - I would say he's a "professional witness" - maybe the parish clerk or his rellie or mate.
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Chris Ho :)
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30 Sep 2016 08:39 |
Isabella and Ellen Myerscough were sisters, daughters of Barnaby Myerscough and Ellen (Walker), who married the two brothers, James and John,
http://www.barbsweb.co.uk/history/hull.htm
(above from google search)
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Marriage: 19 Apr 1828 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire, England John Hull - (X), Husbandman, this Parish Ellen Myerscough - Spinster, this Parish Witness: Rachael Archer; James Dobson Married by Banns by: R. Bowness Curate Register: Marriages 1813 - 1834, Page 139, Entry 417 Source: LDS Film 1526408
Marriage: 14 Jun 1795 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire, England Barnaby Myerscough - Husbandman, this Parish Ellen Walker - Widow, this Parish Witness: John Ratcliff; Elizabeth Rossall Married by Banns legally published by: Thos. Turner Vicar Register: Marriages 1791 - 1812, Page 16, Entry 64 Source: LDS Film 1526408
Burial: 10 Oct 1834 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire, England Barnaby Myerscough - Age: 65 Abode: Poulton Buried by: W. Thornber Offg. Minister Register: Burials 1813 - 1837, Page 181, Entry 1445 Source: LDS Film 1517688
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
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30 Sep 2016 11:31 |
Baptism: 24 Sep 1804 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancs. James Hull - son of Matthew Hull & Sarah Born: 22 Sep 1804 Abode: Poulton Occupation: Horse Breaker Register: Baptisms 1798 - 1812, Page 53, Entry 5 Source: LDS Film 1517688
Baptism: 21 Oct 1803 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancs. John Hull - son of Matthew Hull & Sally Born: 20 Oct 1803 Abode: Poulton Occupation: Horse Breaker Register: Baptisms 1798 - 1812, Page 45, Entry 11 Source: LDS Film 1517688 [Note Sally is a diminutive of Sarah]
There are more Hull sibs - Ellen,Matthew, Wm, Betsy. There's also a clashing birth (Marie - so can't be a sib), with a difft location & occup, viz:
Baptism: 3 May 1801 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancs. Ellen Myerscough - daughter of Barnaby Myerscough & Nelly Born: 12 Apr 1801 Abode: Poulton Green Register: Baptisms 1798 - 1812, Page 25, Entry 8 Source: LDS Film 1517688
Baptism: 28 Mar 1804 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancs. Isabel Myerscough - daughter of Barnaby Myerscough & Ellen Born: 20 Mar 1804 Abode: Poulton Green Occupation: Husbandman Register: Baptisms 1798 - 1812, Page 47, Entry 16 Source: LDS Film 1517688
There is also: Baptism: 20 Mar 1812 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancs. John Walker Myerscough - son of Barnaby Myerscough & Nanny Born: 19 Mar 1812 Abode: Poulton Green Register: Baptisms 1798 - 1812, Page 129, Entry 5 Source: LDS Film 1517688
Burial: 10 Oct 1834 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire, England Barnaby Myerscough - Age: 65 Abode: Poulton Buried by: W. Thornber Offg. Minister Register: Burials 1813 - 1837, Page 181, Entry 1445 Source: LDS Film 1517688
Burial: 25 Nov 1854 St Chad, Poulton le Fylde, Lancashire, England Ellen Myerscough - Age: 89 Abode: Poulton Buried by: Ellis F. Arnold, Curate Register: Burials 1837 - 1854, Page 100, Entry 800 Source: LDS Film 1517688
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30 Sep 2016 11:33 |
Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/ I've appended the quarter of registration
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference 1842q1 HULL Thomas MYERSCOUGH Preston Preston PRES/18/41 1843q3 HULL Barnaby MYERSCOUGH Preston Preston PRES/24/34 1844q4 HULL Isabella MYERSCOUGH Preston Preston PRES/29/69 1846q3 HULL Isabella MYERSCOUGH Preston Preston PRES/38/12
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1845q3 Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference HULL Isabella 0 Preston Preston PRES/24/95
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1856q1 Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference HULL James 52 Preston Preston PRES/68/66
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1857q3 Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference HULL Isabella 54 Preston Preston PRES/74/95
Deaths Sep 1857 (>99%) Hull Isabella Preston 8e 209 [image says p=259 - correct'n subm'd to FreeBMD]
1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGR5-NMF Event Place Preston, Lancashire, England Registration District Preston Residence Note Fyld Road Registration Number HO107 Piece/Folio 2266 / 405 Page Number 43
James Hull Head M 45 Poulton, Lancashire Inn Keeper Isabella Hull Wife F 47 Poulton, Lancashire Eliza Hull Daughter F 25 Poulton, Lancashire William Hull Son M 17 Poulton, Lancashire Elizabeth Hull Daughter F 14 Preston, Lancashire James Hull Son M 12 Preston, Lancashire Thomas Hull Son M 9 Preston, Lancashire Barnaby Hull Son M 7 Preston, Lancashire Isabella Hull Daughter F 4 Preston, Lancashire Ellen Hull Niece F 10 Poulton, Lancashire Margaret Winder Servant F 20 Preston, Lancashire Bar Maid
1861 Isa* https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7TK-72G Event Place Kirkham, Lancashire, England Registration District Fylde Residence Note Poulton Street Registration Number RG09 Piece/Folio 3145 / 53 Page Number 16 Affiliate Record Type Household
Thomas Appleton Head M 26 Wigan, Lancashire Gorcer Sea Dealer Ann Appleton Wife F 23 Lytham, Lancashire Joseph Edrd Appleton Son M 1 Kirkham, Lancashire John Appleton Son M 0 Kirkham, Lancashire Isabella Hull Servant F 15 ..., Lancashire Servant
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference 1837q3 FLETCHER James SANDON Walton-le-Dale Preston WLD/1/3 1840q1 FLETCHER Elizabeth SANDHAM Preston Preston PRES/10/12 1845q3 FLETCHER Mary Ann SANDHAM Walton-le-Dale Preston WLD/5/85 1847q3 FLETCHER Joseph SANDHAM Walton-le-Dale Preston WLD/7/1 1852q4 FLETCHER John SANDHAM Preston Preston PRES/69/82
Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1853q3 Surname Forename(s) Age or Year of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference FLETCHER John 41 Preston Preston PRES/56/11
1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7TS-4T9 Event Place Preston, Lancashire, England Ecclesiastical Parish St Thomas Registration District Preston Residence Note Back Sidney Street Registration Number RG09 Piece/Folio 3135 / 93 Page Number 33 Affiliate Record Type Household
Isabella Fletcher Head F 49 Bentley, Lancashire Widow Elizabeth Fletcher Daughter F 22 Pinxton, Lancashire Cotton Spinner ... Fletcher Son M 19 Bindle, Lancashire Cotton Spinner Mary Ann Fletcher Daughter F 17 Bindle, Lancashire Piecer Loom Cotton Weaver Joseph Fletcher Son M 12 Preston, Lancashire Cotton... Richard Lane Boarder M 16 Preston, Lancashire Power Loom Cotton Weaver
Marriage: 19 Apr 1828 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire, England John Hull - (X), Husbandman of this Parish Ellen Myerscough - Spinster of this Parish Witness: Rachael Archer; James Dobson Married by Banns by: R. Bowness Curate Register: Marriages 1813 - 1834, Page 139, Entry 417 Source: LDS Film 1526408
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference 1840q2 HULL Ellen MYERSCOUGH Poulton-le-Fylde Blackpool PLF/1/79 1843q2 HULL Mary MYERSCOUGH Poulton-le-Fylde Blackpool PLF/3/50
1841 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQLK-HRT Event Place Poulton, Lancashire, England Residence Note Green Parish Poulton County Lancashire Registration Number HO107 Piece 497 Book Number 6 Folio 14 Page Number 23 Affiliate Record Type Institution
Ellen Hull F 40-44 Lancashire James Hull M 9 Lancashire Thomas Hull M 6 Lancashire John Hull M 3 Lancashire Ellen Hull F 1 Lancashire [Note the institutional record type]
1851 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5Z-PMD Event Place Poulton Le Fylde, Lancashire, England Registration District Fylde Residence Note Poulton Green Registration Number HO107 Piece/Folio 2269 / 587 Page Number 29
John Hull Head M 49 Poulton, Lancashire Ag Lab Ellen Hull Wife F 49 Poulton, Lancashire John Hull Son M 12 Poulton, Lancashire Mary Hull Daughter F 7 Poulton, Lancashire
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1 Oct 2016 23:21 |
What does do not send messages to safc mean?
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1 Oct 2016 23:59 |
It means she doesn't want people to send her private messages, by clicking on her name at the top of her posts, about her replies to threads such as this.
If you want to reply to what she has said, put your rmessage in the white box at the very end of this thread (where it says "Add your reply") , and click "Submit". Then your reply will show in your thread, and all the helpers can see it, which may be helpful.
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