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Hello Austin Q
The baptism in 1790 was a possibility but that burial record seems to negate that

The record I have is
James Joyce
Born c1790
Buried 15/03/1851
Brentford

Twickenham deaths were registered in Brentford.

Wendy, is this the baptism you have? If it isn't, can you give his parent's name:

Name: James Joyce
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 Apr 1790
Parish: Godalming, St Peter and St Paul
Mother's name: Elizabeth Joyce
Reference Number: GOD/1/4
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There's this burial:

National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription

name(s) JAMES JOYCE
Birth year -
Death year 1790
Burial year 23 June1790
Place GODALMING
Church description ST PETER & ST PAUL
Church denomination ANGLICAN
County Surrey
Record set National Burial Index for England & Wales

Having had another look it isn't James Joyce/Joice,I will keep looking.
Thanks all for trying
Wendy

Think he is one of those so faded out on pages, that you wouldn't be able to tell, above was just added as an example...

(sends eyeballs goggled, lol)

Chris :)

I don't think the 1841 census is correct, adjusting the contrast on the image it looks like James' surname possibly starts with an 'M' and ends in 'der'.

Hi Chris Ho
I had a look at the 1841 census.This is I think the James I am searching for.In the household is Richard Anstead. Several of Sarah's nieces and nephews had Anstead as a middle name.
Wendy

Hi Again
Firstly James's occupation was Labourer,
I have James 's birth c1790 in Surrey,he married Sarah Stuckey in Kingston Surrey.As his children were all born in Twickenham I thought it possible that he was buried there in Twickenham.
The children you show (Austin) are my relatives.James Joice/Joyce 1809 was my 3 x great grandfather.
Wendy

Am I missing something? Are you just assuming that the James that died in 1851 is the correct man? If the Sarah that died in 1823 is correct then she was born c1781.

Do you have his age from something else?

Have you followed their other children?

First name(s) James
Last name Joice
Baptism year 1809
Baptism date 02 Apr 1809
Parish Twickenham
Father's first name(s) James
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Relationship Son
County Middlesex

Name: Sarah Joice
Baptism Date: 16 Feb 1812
Parish: St Mary the Virgin, Twickenham
County: Kent
Borough: Richmond upon Thames
Parent(s): James Joice, Sarah Joice
Record Type: Baptism
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: Mary Joice
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1813
Father's name: James Joice
Mother's name: Sarah Joice
Parish or Poor Law Union: Twickenham
Borough: Richmond upon Thames
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

As 'Common' was mentioned on Burial of James 1851 (London Burials, Ancestry)

Take a look at below 1841, to get an idea how poor images are...

Chris :)

Back Lane Common, Twickenham, Brentford, Middlesex

Jas ??? Male 50 1791 Middlesex, England
??? ??? Male 30 1811 Middlesex, England
Richd Newstead Male 50 1791 Middlesex, England
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 658
Book number 12
Folio number 33
Page number 23

Wendy have you any idea what his occupation was?

Thanks Fairy Godmother. As with Caroline Tyler,unless I can find James in 1841, I can't confirm either as the second wife.
Wendy

This one is a Widower

Name: James Joyce
Spouse: Eliza Turner
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Sep 1829
Parish: St Mary, Thames Ditton
County: Surrey
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

I did think that the marriage to Caroline Tyler in Godalming 5/07/1833 could have been his second one even though record says he was a bachelor.I can't find either James or Caroline in 1841
James married his first wife Sarah Stuckey in 1808 in Kingston SSurrey and Sarah died in1823.
Wendy

Thank you all
The children Elizabeth,Joseph and Thomas were his children.They had all married and left home by 1841.
Joseph James who married Caroline Sarah Clement was his son.
Regards
Wendy

Son Joseph's marriage, it doesn't say that his father James is deceased. She;s a widow.

Joseph Joyce

in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
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Name: Joseph Joyce
Spouse: Caroline Sarah Clement
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Jun 1855
Parish: Holy Trinity, Hounslow
Borough: Hounslow
Father Name: James Joyce
Spouse Father: James Hebbern
Register Type: Parish Register

Possible the son Joseph

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sarah Ann Cottages, Hanworth Road, Isleworth W, Brentford, Middlesex, England


Joseph Joyce Head Married Male 44 1817 Confectioner Twickenham, Middlesex, England Transcription
Caroline Joyce Wife - Female 43 1818 - Woking, Surrey, England Transcription
Mary Clements Daughter In Law - Female 22 - Labourer. New Cross Surrey

Just because it came up

James
Last name Joyce
Sex Male
Age 61
Birth year 1790
Death year 1851
Burial year 1851
Burial date 15 Mar 1851
Residence Twickenham Common
Parish Twickenham, Holy Trinity
County Middlesex
Country England
Source Middlesex Burials
Record set Greater London Burial Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Are these his children?

Elizabeth Joyce

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
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Name: Elizabeth Joyce
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1815
Father's name: James Joyce
Mother's name: Sarah Joyce
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary the Virgin, Twickenham
Borough: Richmond Upon Thames
Register Type: Parish Registers

Joseph Joyce

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
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Name: Joseph Joyce
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Oct 1816
Father's name: James Joyce
Mother's name: Sarah Joyce
Parish or Poor Law Union: Twickenham
Borough: Richmond upon Thames
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Thomas Joyce

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
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Name: Thomas Joyce
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 29 Aug 1819
Father's name: James Joyce
Mother's name: Sarah Joyce
Parish or Poor Law Union: Twickenham
Borough: Richmond upon Thames
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

Is this him???

James
Last name Joyce
Name note -
Marriage year 1833
Marriage date 05 Jul 1833
Marriage place Godalming
Spouse's first name(s) Caroline
Spouse's last name Tyler
County Surrey
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
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Hi Wendy

Is his wife and children likely to be with him on the 1841 census?

If so.......who was his wife and who were his children?

Prickles.