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Maureen
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24 Oct 2016 19:08 |
Born Sarah Dell 1827 Uxbridge, had illegitimate daughter 1847. MarriedcwidowerGeorge Roberson 1848, he died 1852, Sarah present at death,after that she disappears, searched everywhere. In 1861 her daughter is living with her aunt and uncle in Leighton Buzzard. It is her mother I am trying to find. Any help very very much appreciated
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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24 Oct 2016 19:36 |
Did the marriage cert give a father's name ?
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Chris Ho :)
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24 Oct 2016 19:47 |
Railway Inn, 43 Vine Street, Uxbridge 1851/George Roberson/Sawyer & Beer House Keeper/40/Stokenchurch, Oxfordshire/Census * 1851/Sarah Roberson/Wife, Dress Maker/22/Uxbridge, Middlesex/Census 1851/George Roberson/Son, Labourer/17/Uxbridge, Middlesex/Census 1851/Henry Roberson/Son, Labourer/15/Uxbridge, Middlesex/Census 1851/Sarah Roberson/Daughter/11/Uxbridge, Middlesex/Census 1851/Sarah Dell/Daughter of Wife/5/Uxbridge, Middlesex/Census 1851/Henry Ingram/Lodger, Harness Maker/45/Uxbridge, Middlesex/Census
http://pubshistory.com/Middlesex/Uxbridge/RailwayInn.shtml
Chris :)
(are they your queries coming up on google search?)
04 September 1852 - Windsor and Eton Express - Windsor, Berkshire
Uxbridge Henry Roberson was charged by his stepmother, Sarah Roberson with threatening to do her some bodily injury, and applying some distasteful epithets towards her. She went in fear of her life from the violent conduct of the defendant, as he had more than once threatened to kill her. The charge was withdrawn on the defendant promising not to repeat the offence.
20 April 1869 - Leighton Buzzard Observer and Linslade Gazette - Leighton
Marriage Mr. Jacob Fountain, Battersea, London, to Miss Sarah Dell, niece of Mr.Charles Stairs, town crier, Leighton Buzzard.
(first wife of George below)
11 December 1847 - Windsor and Eton Express - Windsor, Berkshire
Death On the 8th inst., at Uxbridge, after a short Illness. Sarah, wife of Mr. G. Roberson, of Vine-street, aged 35 years.
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malyon
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24 Oct 2016 21:03 |
this could be sarah
Sarah Carter England and Wales Census, 1861 Name Sarah Carter County Middlesex Event Type Census Event Date 1861 Event Place Cowley, Middlesex, England Registration District Uxbridge Residence Note Cowley Fields New Hillingdon Gender Female Age 32 Marital Status Married Relationship to Head of Household Wife Birth Year (Estimated) 1829 Birthplace Uxbridge, Middlesex Page Number 12 Registration Number RG09 Piece/Folio 766 / 9 Affiliate Record Type Household Household Role Gender Age Birthplace Richard Carter Head M 33 Uxbridge, Middlesex Sarah Carter Wife F 32 Uxbridge, Middlesex
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24 Oct 2016 21:24 |
malyon ...............
I think that Sarah is wrong
First, there is no marriage for a Richard Carter to a Sarah in Middlesex between 1851 and 1861.
Second, there were 2 marriages for a Richard and a Sarah between 1841 and 1851.
This is, I think, the same couple that you found, but in 1851 ............ when Sarah Dell was with George Roberson.
Richard was a Labourer in 1861
1815 Census
Name: Sarah Carter Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1824 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Richard Carter Gender: Female Where born: Hillingdon, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Hillingdon Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Registration district: Uxbridge Sub-registration district: Hillingdon ED, institution, or vessel: 3c
Household schedule number: 120 Piece: 1697 Folio: 115 Page Number: 32
Richard Carter 27 Rail Labourer Sarah Carter 27
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Catherine
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24 Oct 2016 21:43 |
for ref:- Sarah's father is John Dell
Name: Sarah Dell Estimated birth year: abt 1828 Age: 20 Spouse: George Roberson (widower) Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 15 May 1848 Parish: St Margaret, Uxbridge Borough: Hillingdon Father Name: John Dell Spouse Father: William Roberson Register Type: Parish Register
.....................and if this is her baptism, then mother is Sarah
Name: Sarah Dell Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 11 Nov 1827 Father's name: John Dell Occupation:- Bricklayer Mother's name: Sarah Dell Parish or Poor Law Union: Uxbridge St Margaret Borough: Hillingdon Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
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Catherine
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24 Oct 2016 21:46 |
????
Name: Sarah Robertson Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Registration Year: 1878 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 52 Registration district: Wandsworth Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 482
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malyon
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24 Oct 2016 21:59 |
sarah could be living with a man and using his name but not married
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Catherine
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24 Oct 2016 22:09 |
? Marriages Jun 1868 (>99%) Cook James Pancras 1b 265 Padwick William John Pancras 1b 265 Roberson Sarah Pancras 1b 265 West Mary Ann Pancras 1b 265
? Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%) Acres Benjamin Islington 1b 390 Roberson Sarah Islington 1b 390
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LondonBelle
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25 Oct 2016 07:37 |
Just checked the 22:09 marriages that Catherine found
1868 Father given as Robert Roberson 1875 Father given as James Wheeler
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PricklyHolly
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25 Oct 2016 08:53 |
If that is her baptism.........
4 siblings
Marian Dell in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name: Marian Dell Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 26 Nov 1826 Father's name: John Dell (Bricklayer) Mother's name: Sarah Dell Parish or Poor Law Union: Uxbridge St Margaret Borough: Hillingdon Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Mary Dell in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name: Mary Dell Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 18 Sep 1831 Father's name: John Dell (Bricklayer) Mother's name: Sarah Dell Parish or Poor Law Union: Uxbridge St Margaret Borough: Hillingdon Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
John Dell in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name: John Dell Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 27 Jun 1830 Father's name: John Dell (Bricklayer) Mother's name: Sarah Dell Parish or Poor Law Union: Uxbridge St Margaret Borough: Hillingdon Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Charles Dell in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name: Charles Dell Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 20 Nov 1836 Father's name: John Dell (Bricklayer) Mother's name: Sarah Dell Parish or Poor Law Union: Uxbridge St Margaret Borough: Hillingdon Register Type: Parish Registers
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PricklyHolly
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25 Oct 2016 09:13 |
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census TranscriptionHigh Street Bell Yard, Hillingdon, Uxbridge, Middlesex, England
John Dell Male 35 1806 Bricklayer Born in County No
Sarah Dell Female 35 1806 - Born in County No
Willm Dell Male 15 1826 Bricklayer Bornin County No
Sarah Dell Female 13 1828 Middlesex, Born in county Yes
Mary Dell Female 10 1831 Middlesex, Born in County Yes
Jno Dell Male 7 1834 Middlesex, Born In County Yes
Charles Dell Male 3 1838 Middlesex, Bornin County Yes
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Chris Ho :)
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25 Oct 2016 09:49 |
(snippets)
Chris :)
18 April 1843 - Perry's Bankrupt Gazette - London, London, England
Insolvents Dell John, of Uxbridge, bricklayer - Debtor' s Prison
02 March 1844 - Windsor and Eton Express - Windsor, Berkshire, England
Death On the 29th ult., at Uxbridge, Mrs. Sarah Dell, aged 41
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Catherine
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25 Oct 2016 16:33 |
Checked Sarah's siblings to see if she turned up with them:-
Charles looks to have died in 1842
Name: Charles Dell Registration Year: 1842 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Uxbridge Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Middlesex Volume: 3 Page: 260 .......................................................... John looks also to be in Leighton Buzzard 1851 Name: John Dell Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1835 Relation: Apprentice Gender: Male Where born: Mosbridge, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Linslade Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Apprentice Bricklayer Registration district: Leighton Buzzard Sub-registration district: Leighton Buzzard ED, institution, or vessel: 7a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 121 Piece: 1756 Folio: 242 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age William Mead 36 Sarah Mead 32 Stephen Mead 12 Frederick Mead 10 Mary Ann Mead 9 John Mead 3 John Dell 16
living next door is a William Dell (occupation Bricklayer) Name: William Dell Age: 21 Estimated birth year: abt 1830 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Mosbridge Civil Parish: Linslade Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Bricklayer Registration district: Leighton Buzzard Sub-registration district: Leighton Buzzard ED, institution, or vessel: 7a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 122 Piece: 1756 Folio: 242 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age William Dell 21 (on original age looks to be more than 21)..... ................................................................................... 1851 Name: Mary Dell Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Uxbridge, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Wellingborough Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Wellingborough County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: General Servant Registration district: Wellingborough Sub-registration district: Earls Barton ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 27 Piece: 1743 Folio: 457 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age William Woolston 36 Maria Woolston 30 Mary Woolston 7 William Woolston 5 Sabina Woolston 3 Henry Woolston 6 Mo Frederick Gravely 32 Maria Gravely 25 Fanny Collins 30 Charles Bonson 21 Edwin Green 16 Lucy Ryes 28 Mary Dell 20 Eliza Palford 20 .......................................................
Mary also finished up in Leighton Buzzard as you know married to Charles Stairs
Name Mary Dell Registration Year 1851 Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district Leighton Buzzard Parishes for this Registration District Leighton Buzzard Inferred County Bedfordshire Volume 6 Page 154 Household Members Name Age Elizabeth Banes Mary Dell Thomas Smith xxxx Charles Stairs xxxx
and in 1861 with her niece:- (just to get a
Name: Mary Stairs Age: 29 Estimated birth year: 1832 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Charles Stairs Gender: Female Where born: Nebridge, Middlesex, England [Uxbridge, Middlesex, England] Civil Parish: Leighton Buzzard County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Registration district: Leighton Buzzard Sub-registration district: Leighton Buzzard ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 94 Piece: 1005 Folio: 110 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Charles Stairs 29 Mary Stairs 29 Mary J Stairs 8 John C Stairs 4 Thomas W Stairs 2 Sarah Ann Stairs 10/12 xxxx Sarah Dell 15 xxxx
Will check the boys in 1861
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Chris Ho :)
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25 Oct 2016 16:54 |
(Catherine, see some on below)
Chris :)
http://www.genealogy-specialists.com/threads/looking-for-sarah.6730/
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Catherine
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25 Oct 2016 17:31 |
Wel, that's a new one on me. Haven't seen that site before. :-)
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Chris Ho :)
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25 Oct 2016 17:53 |
(lol, wonderful thing, google search!)
Chris :)
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Maureen
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1 Nov 2016 15:39 |
t hank you so much for all your hard work I would love to know more about John Dell and Debtors Prison, would there be a record I wonder. Both John and wife Sarah died in their early 40s from consumption, I have the death certificates, I know they were very poor/ interested to see that son John in 1851 was livng with a family named Meade..his grandmother (mother of Sarah) was Sarah Meade. (too many Sarahs) so this family may have been his cousins. My grandmother Clara talked a lot about her mother Sarah Dell (the illegitimate daughter of Sarah Dell Roberson) but she never mentioned her grandmother which makes me think that she never knew her so I have a lot to think aboutnow. I apologise if there are a lot of typos here, Ive just had cataract surgery! once again thank you very much, I am very grateful to you Best wishes, Maureen
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Maureen
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1 Nov 2016 16:21 |
t hank you so much for all your hard work I would love to know more about John Dell and Debtors Prison, would there be a record I wonder. Both John and wife Sarah died in their early 40s from consumption, I have the death certificates, I know they were very poor/ interested to see that son John in 1851 was livng with a family named Meade..his grandmother (mother of Sarah) was Sarah Meade. (too many Sarahs) so this family may have been his cousins. My grandmother Clara talked a lot about her mother Sarah Dell (the illegitimate daughter of Sarah Dell Roberson) but she never mentioned her grandmother which makes me think that she never knew her so I have a lot to think aboutnow. I apologise if there are a lot of typos here, Ive just had cataract surgery! once again thank you very much, I am very grateful to you Best wishes, Maureen
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Chris Ho :)
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1 Nov 2016 16:29 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtors%27_prison
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/bankrupts-insolvent-debtors/
(there is above, second one has advice, if any help)
Chris :)
Edits (items come up, google search, john dell 1843 debtor)
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/20204/page/894/data.pdf
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