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Charles Smith

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Bruce

Bruce Report 18 Nov 2016 22:24

Charles was born in 1864 and baptised on 27.3.1864 at Market Stainton.
In the 1991 Census he was living in 3 Railway Terrace Grimsby with Hannah Matilda.
I am unable to find a marriage of Charles Smith to Hannah.

Can anyone help

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 18 Nov 2016 22:34

?
First name(s) Charles
Last name Smith
Age 25
Birth year 1865
Marriage year 1890
Marriage date 08 Mar 1890
Marriage place Worsbrough
Residence Birdwell
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Smith
Spouse's first name(s) Hannah
Spouse's last name Draycott
Spouse's age 17
Spouse's residence Birdwell
Spouse's father's first name(s) Herbert
Spouse's father's last name Draycott
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England

Bruce

Bruce Report 18 Nov 2016 22:44

Sorry not the right marriage, his Father was Charles Smith.
I should have said 1891 census, Also the baptisms of two of his children show Hannah Matilda.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Nov 2016 23:09

for reference:

Hannah M Smith
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Hannah M Smith
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Haugham, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Wellow
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
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Registration district: Caistor
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2612
Folio: 64
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Smith 26
Hannah M Smith 24

safc

safc Report 18 Nov 2016 23:10


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3 Railway Terrace Garden St Grimsby, Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Charles Smith Head Married Male Steam Roller Driver Cocorpsits 48 1863 Market Staenton
Transcription
Hannah Matilad Smith Wife Married Female - 44 1867 Haugham
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Ethel May Smith Daughter - Female Day Girl 16 1895 Gt Grimsby
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Chales Witham Smith Son - Male School 14 1897 Gt Grimsby
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Claire Smith Daughter - Female - 7 1904 Gt Grimsby


married 20 years 4 children born 3 living 1 died

claire looks more like elsie

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 Nov 2016 23:12

Possible birth of Hannah (Haugham was in Louth reg district):

Births Sep 1866 (>99%)
Lowis Hannah M Louth 7a 516


EDIT:

No, not her:

Deaths Mar 1869 (>99%)
Lowis Hannah Maria 2 Louth 7a 363

safc

safc Report 18 Nov 2016 23:15

????

SMITH, ETHEL MAY BRIGGS Order
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 585

Bruce

Bruce Report 18 Nov 2016 23:26

The two census entries above are the correct family.

safc

safc Report 18 Nov 2016 23:31

????

SMITH, ETHEL MAY HEWSON Order
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 597


SMITH, CHARLES WILLIAM COOK Order
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 608

Bruce

Bruce Report 18 Nov 2016 23:41

safc
Are these marriages or births ?

safc

safc Report 18 Nov 2016 23:44

births from the gro


Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
SMITH, SIDNEY COOK Order
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 646


SMITH, ELSIE COOK Order
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in GRIMSBY Volume 07A Page 614 Order

Bruce

Bruce Report 19 Nov 2016 00:16

The Cook would tie in as I know that Sidney is the son of the couple. Elsie I will have to pursue.
I have found Anna M Cook born 1868 in the 1871 census, born 1868 at Haugham.
In the 1881 census she is shown as Hannah Cook and living with her parents in Utterby.
I have yet to find her on the 1891 census, can anyone else.
I cannot find the marriage for Anna and Charles Smith, and I am wondering if they ever married.

safc

safc Report 19 Nov 2016 01:47

FreeReg Baptism entry on 19 Nov 2016
For information about this place follow the link to Grimsby
If you believe there to be an error in this transcription then please report it to our data manager.
Field Value
County Lincolnshire
Place Grimsby
Church name St Andrew
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 926
Baptism date 20 Jan 1904
Birth date 30 Nov 1903
Person forename Elsie
Person sex F
Person abode Grimsby
Father forename Charles
Father surname SMITH
Father occupation Engine Driver
Mother forename Hannah Marilda
Register note
Transcriber notes

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Nov 2016 04:12

re Anna M Cook born 1868, Haugham

ie, born about 1868

This is from the new GRO Index ...........

COOK, ANNA MATILDA mmn CROWSON
1867 S Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 532

Louth is the Registration District that includes Haugham



NOTE:- Hannah, Anna, Annie seem to be used interchangeably about that period.

My gt grandmother Hannah was born ca 1851, and I've found her shown under all three variants on censuses, documents, etc.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Nov 2016 04:20

For information, this seems to be the 1871 Census Bruce found

1871 Census

Name: Anna M Cook
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Cook
Mother's name: Frances Cook
Gender: Female
Where born: Haugham, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Haugham
Town: Haugham
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Louth
Sub-registration district: Louth
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 3404
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8

John Cook 39 b.ca 1832, Tathwell, Lincolnshire, Farmer's Foreman
Frances Cook 39 b.ca 1832, Yarborough, Lincolnshire,
Ellen Cook 5 b.ca 1866, Haugham
Anna M Cook 3
George Crobet 23 Farm Servant
John Ranyard 24 Farm Servant

Address:- In the Village

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Nov 2016 04:40

John and Frances were together in 1861, with 2 children, and living in Louth

John Cook 29
Frances Cook 27
Isaac Cook 4
Mary E Cook 2


But it is strange when one looks at the birth registrations on the new GRO .................

COOK, ISAAC mmn WALLIS
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 505

COOK, MARY ELIZABETH mmn CROWSON
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in LOUTH 431 Volume 07A Page 485


Ellen born ca 1866 also has mmn name Crowson .................

COOK, ELLEN mmn CROWSON
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 530




According to Freebmd, John Cook married a Frances Walliss

Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%)

COOK John Louth 7a 838
Walliss Frances Louth 7a 838
Wallits Frances Louth 7a 838

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Nov 2016 05:17

There is a Frances Crewson born in Yarborough on the 1851 Census

Name: Francis Crewson
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Yarborough, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Skidbrook with Saltfleet
Ecclesiastical parish: Louth
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Louth
Sub-registration district: Binbrook
ED, institution, or vessel: 14

Household schedule number: 58
Piece: 2112
Folio: 310
Page Number: 12

William Taylor 40
Susannah Taylor 38
Charles Hill 8
Francis Crewson 17 <<<<<<<<<<


and a Frances Wallace baptised in Yarborough

County Lincolnshire
Place Yarburgh
Church name St John the Baptist
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 179
Baptism date 9 Feb 1834
Person forename Frances
Person sex F
Person abode Yarburgh
Father forename George
Father surname WALLACE
Father occupation Shoemaker
Mother forename Susanna
Mother surname WALLACE
FHL Film Number: 1542006
Reference ID: item 5 p 23


County Lincolnshire
Place South Cockerington
Church name St Leonard
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 37
Marriage date 8 Jun 1831
Groom forename George
Groom surname WALLISS
Groom condition Bachelor
Bride forename Susanna
Bride surname APPLEBY
Bride condition Spinster
Witness Mary Ann
Witness Edward HUTTON
Register note Both bride and groom signed x




It looks as though Frances' birth name was Wallis/Walliss/Wallace, but then the Crowson/Crewson creeps in fro somewhere!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 19 Nov 2016 05:33

One other birth registrations Cook mmn Crowson, registered Louth..........

Female birth registered, not yet named ...........
COOK, - mmn CROWSON
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 519

and ?? died soon after birth?

COOK, - 0
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 329





Bruce

Bruce Report 19 Nov 2016 19:43

Many thanks to everyone for their contributions, it is much appreciated. I will have to pursue this at the local record office and library to see if I can find the marriage to prove the connections.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Nov 2016 07:50

Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Burwell
Church name St Michael
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 318
Baptism date 17 Aug 1856
Person forename Isaac
Person sex M
Person abode Burwell
Father forename John
Father surname COOK
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Frances
Mother surname COOK


Baptism
County Lincolnshire
Place Belleau
Church name St John the Baptist
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 743
Baptism date 17 Nov 1858
Person forename Mary Elizabeth
Person sex F
Person abode Claythorpe
Father forename John
Father surname COOK
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Frances

(if relating anywhere, from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)