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Hi Maddie

The Ontario marriage came up as a hint on Ancestry and intrigued me, as I knew that Frederick & Selina had married in England and that she had gone on to marry George.

She must have married george if they did indeed get married in Ontario. I can't find a marriage though :-(

Something I don't understand, Potty, you said that you had all of the English stuff so you must have known that they married in England. Why did you ask for a look-up for their marriage in Ontario?

Thanks Maddie - a good chance that is him.

a possibilty

Name: Frederick William Brown
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 35
Registration district: Wandsworth
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 313

Thanks Maddie & MargaretM. I do have the English stuff - would have said so earlier but our internet has been playing silly beggars!

Yes, George and Frederick were brothers - still looking for Frederick's death.

Selina was my relative - she was the illegitimate daughter of Mary Martha, daughter of John & Sarah, who were my 2nd great grandparents.

Thanks again for all your time.

Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928, 1933-1934
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Name Ellen Brown
Age 20
Birth Year abt 1900
Birth Place London, England
Marriage Date 3 Nov 1920
Marriage Place Essex, Ontario, Canada
Father Frederick Brown
Mother Frances Hodder
Spouse Arthur Hawley
Household Members
Name Age
Ellen Brown
Frances Hodder
Frederick Brown
Arthur Hawley
Louisa Weekes
Herbert Hawley

Ottawa, Canada, Beechwood Cemetery Registers, 1873-1990
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Name Hilda M Hawley
Birth Date 4 Oct 1902
Birth Location London, England
Gender Female
Death Date 4 May 1978
Age 75
Parent(s) Frederick William Brown Selina Frances Hodder

Selina Frances Hodder
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name Selina Frances Hodder
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County London
Parish Lambeth
Ecclesiastical Parish ST PAULS WEST BRIXTON
Registration District Lambeth
Residence Note Solon New Road
Gender Female
Age 23
Occupation Domestic Servant
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Birth Year (Estimated) 1868
Birthplace Dorsetshire, England
Page Number 42
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 408/ 109


Selina F Hodder
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name Selina F Hodder
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Bridport, Bradpole, Dorsetshire, England
Enumeration District 4
Gender Female
Age 3
Marital Status U
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Granddaughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1868
Birthplace Bridport, Dorsetshire
Entry Number 14
Household

Birthplace
John Hodder Head M 71 Bridport, Dorsetshire
Sarah Hodder Wife F 72 Bridport, Dorsetshire
Selina F Hodder Granddaughter F 3 Bridport, Dorsetshire
Emily L Joy Lodger F 23 Bridport, Dorsetshir

SELINA FRANCES
Last name HODDER
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1894
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ SELINA FRANCES HODDER married one of these people
FREDERICK WILLIAM BROWN, FRANK ALEXANDER BURNETT
District ST. GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Page 1023
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

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Do you suppose that George Edward was the brother of Frederick William? Selina must have known him beforehand, she arrived in Canada 24 July and they were married according to the son's birth record 29 July.

Selina's arrival in Canada with Fred'k 11, John, 8 and Ellen, 5.

Selina Brown

in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
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Name: Selina Brown
Gender: Female
Age: 34
Birth Year: abt 1874
Date of Arrival: 24 Jul 1908
Vessel: Lake Erie
Search Ship Database: Search for the Lake Erie in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

The marriage in England:

Marriages Sep 1894 (>99%)
Brown Frederick William St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 1023
Hodder Selina Frances St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 1023

John Henry Brown

in the Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928, 1933-1934
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Name: John Henry Brown
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Birth Year: abt 1900
Birth Place: London, England
Marriage Date: 26 Sep 1925
Marriage Place: Essex, Ontario, Canada
Father: Frederick William Brown
Mother: Selina Hodder
Spouse: Eva Fryer


nok Mrs Selina Brown 65 Greenfield Avenue Ottawa
he is aa methodist and a plumber
born 6/09/1899 in London

John Henry Brown

in the Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
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Name: John Henry Brown
Birth Date: 6 Sep 1899
Birth Location: London, England
Residence: Ontario
Relative: Mrs Selina Brown
Relationship: Mother
Regiment Number: 2768885

1911 Census of Canada
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Name John Brown
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Age 11
Birth Date September 1900
Birth Place England
Relation to Head of House Son
Father's Name Frederick Mooney
Immigration Year 1908
Race or Tribe English
Province Ontario
District Carleton
District Number 61
Sub-District 39
Sub-District Number 39
Place of Habitation 85 Greenfield
Household Members
Name Age
George Brown 29 --- Birth JULY 1884 arrival 1900
Selema Brown 34 ------ birth May 1877 arrival 1908
Frederick Brown 14
John Brown 11
Helen Brown 8


1901 England Census
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Name John H Brown
Age 1
Estimated Birth Year abt 1900
Relation to Head Son
Gender Male
Father Frederick W Brown
Mother Selina F Brown
Birth Place Battersea, London, England
Civil parish Battersea
Search Photos Battersea, London, England
Ecclesiastical parish St Andrew
County/Island London
Country England
Registration district Wandsworth
Sub-registration district East Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel 31
Piece 445
Folio 16
Page number 23
Household schedule number 168
Household Members
Name Age
Frederick W Brown 30
Selina F Brown 31
Frederick W Brown 5
John H Brown 1

Can't find the marriage record, Potty, but this birth record of son says parents were married 29 July 1908, Ottawa.

Francis Wm Brown

in the Ontario, Canada Births, 1858-1913
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Name: Francis Wm Brown
Date of Birth: 13 Jan 1910
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Carleton, Ontario, Canada
Father's name: Geo Edwd Brown
Mother's name: Selina Frances Hodder

EDIT: Uh oh! Just noticed father was George Edward and it says wife was previously married to Fred Wm. Brown.

Thanks, Maddie. That helps.

Selina Hodder

in the Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928, 1933-193

Name: Selina Hodder
Gender: Female
Spouse: Frederick William Brown
Child: John Henry Brown

John married Eva Fryer

1925

Selina Hodder Brown

in the Web: CanadianHeadstones.com Index

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Name: Selina Hodder Brown
Gender: Female
Cemetery: Beechwood National - Section 23
Burial Place: Carleton (Ottawa), Ontario, Can
Notes: HAWLEY SELINA HODDER 1869 - 1962 WIFE OF FREDERICK BROWN 1902 ELEN BROWN 1978 WIFE OF ARTHUR HAWLEY

http://www.canadianheadstones.com/on/view.php?id=326310

has picture of the headstone

Would somebody with Ancestry Worldwide access please look up this for me?


? Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928, 1933-1934

Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish

NameSelina Hodder
SpouseFrederick William Brown

Thanks.