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Re Alan -

Not sure if the National Records of Scotland might be able to tell you anything:

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/adoption-records

Probably not if you're not close family - but might be worth a try, as Alan is deceased.
Perhaps they could tell you his birth name, and then we could find his birth record.

Thanks Chris, I did look at the cemetery details this morning, while you were sleeping!

Ladies, don't worry yourself over the 'Meadow' family as it's not my blood but I am so grateful that I can now put a full stop for Elsie May in my tree.

AG, the details for Alan are not important to me for the same reason as above, but as you know, us researchers like as much detail as is 'easily' accessible!

I haven't spoken to Fred for a while and asking about the death of his adopted son might be a step too far as it's very sensitive, especially for a 97 year old. I'll put that one to bed.

Thanks again everyone, as always, top girls <3

Hi, Gins -

You PM'd me with Alan's DOB and death details.

Unfortunately it's impossible to find his birth record.
Obviously he was born with a different surname, which we don't know, and may also have had different forenames.

Even if the Clutterbucks kept his original forenames, there are several people with those forenames born in Scotland in the right year, and no way of knowing if any of them might be him.

It's not possible even to narrow it down from the year to a particular quarter in that year - only the year shows up on SP.

Limiting the search to Stirlingshire (if that's even relevant re the Clutterbucks, or re the birth) brings up one person with those forenames, but in a different year, in Falkirk.

Sorry can't be more helpful.
As a very wild long shot I even searched with the surnames Whiteley and Clutterbuck, but the only births for those names at the right time were girls.
With Thomson (an even wilder shot), and limiting it to the one year, there were seven Alans born in Scotland in that year, but none with the right middle name, and none in Stirlingshire.


Would Fred, whom you say is still alive, be able or willing to tell you Alan's birth name?

There's a lot of info online about John Meadow but don't know if you need it. He emigrated to Canada first, married Julia McLean 1912 in Toronto, Ontario..Marriage record gives his parents John Meadow and Marjorie Brooks.

(think might be him below)

Chris :)

Baptism: 21 Mar 1888 St Peter, Formby, Lancashire, England
John Meadow - [Child] of John Meadow & Margaret
Abode: Formby
Occupation: Bricklayer
Baptised by: L. Formby
Register: Baptisms 1873 - 1923, Page 82, Entry 653
Source: LDS Film 1849657


1911 (Find My Past)
Margery Meadow Head Widow Female - 57 1854 Lancs Formby
John Meadow Son Single Male Joiner 23 1888 Lancs Formby
Ernest Meadow Son Single Male Bricklayer 21 1890 Lancs Formby
Address 1 Old Mill Lane Formby
Parish Formby
County Lancashire
Census reference RG14 PN22847 RG78 PN1339 RD457 SD5 ED7 SN56

(also in Formby, 1891, 1901, Father John, Bricklayer)


Master Cemetery Index - M
Pinellas Genealogy Society

MEADOW, Elsie May, b. 1898 d. 1982 Serenity Gardens
Memorial

MEADOW, John, b. 1888 d. 1975 Serenity Gardens
Memorial


http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~flpgs/pgs-cemMstrIdx.htm

(index also has Clutterbuck/King)


http://tinyurl.com/j399djv

(Cemetery, Find A Grave, not photographed yet, by looks of things!)


That 'Outgoing' for Clutterbuck family 1951, 'Mauretania', last UK address as, 57, Mosshead Road, Bearsden, Glasgow. (coming up on google with Strathblane)

Margaret, you're a buddy star!! Thank you

I just couldn't get the Scottish connection but have remembered that Elsie' daughter Gladys Josephine Clutterbuck (nee Whiteley) and her husband Fred adopted a child (Alan - tragic early death for him) in Scotland

AG, thanks for the daughters names, it all fits perfectly

:-D

Also in 1923 - going to the USA. ( Elsie May, Gladys Josephine, and Dorothy - not Arnold)

NOK, father, Mr S Thomson, 139 Duncombe Street, Sheffield. <<<<<<<<<<<

Elsie May Whiteley
in the Massachusetts, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Elsie May Whiteley
Gender: Female
Age: 25
Nationality: English
Birth Date: abt 1898
Birth Place: Sheffield, England
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 1 Nov 1923
Arrival Place: Boston, Massachusetts, USA
Last Residence: England
Friend: A Whiteley
Ship: Carmania

The Whiteley family entering the UK in 1934:

Elsie May, 37
Arnold, 35, painter
Gladys J, 16
Dorothy, 14

Going to 73 Holme Lane, Sheffield.


Elsie May Whiteley
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Elsie May Whiteley
Birth Date: abt 1897
Age: 37
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 10 Dec 1934
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Boston
Ship Name: Lancastria
Shipping line: Cunard White Star
Official Number: 145943

Have PM'd the daughters' names, Gins.

EDIT:

However, now I see they're both deceased:

Gladys J Clutterbuck
in the Florida Death Index, 1877-1998
Name: Gladys J Clutterbuck
Race: White
Age at Death: 52
Birth Date: 8 Nov 1918
Death Date: 24 Dec 1970
Death Place: Pinellas, Florida, United States


Dorothy King
in the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Name: Dorothy King
SSN: 265-50-5110
Last Residence:
34615 Clearwater, Pinellas, Florida, USA
BORN: 15 Nov 1920
Died: Sep 1992
State (Year) SSN issued: Florida (1952)

Hmmm.....it looks good except for the Strathblane connection


Pinellas and St Petes have other family there so it might be worth looking further.

The mention of two daughters, does it give their names?

Thanks Margaret

Husband John Meadow's death:


John Meadow

in the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Record Image No Image
Text-only collection

Name: John Meadow
SSN: 345-28-4688
Last Residence:
33516 Clearwater, Pinellas, Florida, USA
BORN: 8 Mar 1888
Died: Sep 1975
State (Year) SSN issued: Illinois (1951-1952)

Another naturalization record in her married name:

Elsie May Meadow

in the Florida, Naturalization Records, 1847-1995
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Name: Elsie May Meadow
Naturalization Place: Tampa, Florida, USA
Doc Type: Petition
Petition Number: 15802

She says she married John Meadow 29 June 1956, St. Petersburg, Florida. He was born 8 March 1888, Formby, Lancashire and entered US 21 Dec. 1921, San Pedro, California.
She entered US 21 June 1952 under name Elsie May Whiteley.

Did she possibly marry in Florida?

Elsie M Whiteley

in the Florida Marriage Indexes, 1822-1875 and 1927-2001
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Name: Elsie M Whiteley
Spouse: John Meadow
County of Marriage: Pinellas
Marriage Date: Jun 1956
Volume: 1612
Certificate: 15283
Source: Florida Department of Health

EDIT: This seems to be her death:

Elsie Meadow

in the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014
Record Image No Image
Text-only collection

Name: Elsie Meadow
SSN: 265-50-5109
Last Residence:
33516 Clearwater, Pinellas, Florida, USA
BORN: 14 May 1897
Died: May 1982
State (Year) SSN issued: Florida (1952)

Her naturalization record

Elsie May Whiteley

in the Florida, Naturalization Records, 1847-1995
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Name: Elsie May Whiteley
Naturalization Date: 29 Oct 1953
Naturalization Place: Tampa, Florida, USA
Doc Type: Declaration
Declaration Number: 11001

Her address 2007 52nd, St., Gulfport Pinellas, Florida.
Entry to US 21 June 1952 aboard the SS Georgie
Last place of foreign residence was Strathblane, Stirlingshire, Scotland.
She gives name of her 2 daughters.

Could this be her? Her destination is 14 St. N. 520, St. Petersburg, Florida.

Elsie Mary Whiteley

in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
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View image(s) of the ship

Name: Elsie Mary Whiteley
Arrival Date: 21 Jun 1952
Birth Date: abt 1896
Age: 56
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: British (English)
Place of Origin: Britain
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Georgic
Search Ship Database: Search for the Georgic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Thanks for having a look.

I'm not sure why she would be out of the Sheffield area unless she went back to the US

I may have to broaden my search

What about this one?

Elsie May Whiteley

in the West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985
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Report issue

Name: Elsie May Whiteley
Birth Date: abt 1898
Event Type: Burial
Archive Location: Kirklees
Parish or Chapel: Holmbridge
Death Date: abt 1958
Burial Date: 13 May 1958
Burial Age: 60
Reel Number: Cleckheaton, Dewsbury, Holmfirth, Lindley; K19

Dea x

EDIT - OOoooppps - sorry - this is the Manchester one which Shirley posted above.

Dea x

Have you discounted this one ?

First name(s) ELSIE M
Last name WHITELEY
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1898
Age 60
Death quarter 2
Death year 1958
District MANCHESTER
County Lancashire
Volume 10E
Page 80
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007


But there is another Elsie May Whiteley

Whiteley Household (2 People)
Lyndholme , Holmfirth U.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Elsie May Whiteley 08 Mar 1898 Private Means
Charles Fred Whiteley 05 May 1920 ???
Ref: RG101/3663C/008/12 Letter Code: KNGM
© Findmypast Ltd

As well as the one you are looking for


Whiteley Household (2 People)
74 Canada Street , Sheffield C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Elsie M Whiteley 15 May 1898 Fish & Ship Shop & Home
Arnold Whiteley 20 Oct 1899 Driller On Bombs
Ref: RG101/3539A/016/15 Letter Code: KIMX


Edit that Elsie is connected to charles Fred as her probate names him as one of the executers

Name: Elsie May Whiteley
Death Date: 10 May 1958
Death Place: Huddersfield
Probate Date: 31 Jul 1958
Registry: London, England


So discounts that death record

(probably stating the obvious Gins, lol, but not with below)

Chris :)

WHITELEY, Arnold (Steel Miller, age 42).
Died at 74 Canada Street; Buried on July 6, 1942 in Consecrated ground;
Grave Number 1489, Section B of Shiregreen Cemetery, Sheffield.
Parent or Next of Kin if Available: ~. Remarks: ~.


(shared with a David/Catherine Manuel)

http://www.sheffieldindexers.com/

I've searched for this lady for years and years and have had no luck in finding her after the 1939 Register

She was born in Sheffield, S Yorkshire 15th May 1898. She married Arnold Whiteley in 1918. Arnold died in 1942 and the death certificate is the last trace I have of her.

The couple lived in New Jersey for some years (came back to the UK in the 1930s) and their two daughters died in Florida in the 70s/80s (I have the details for the girls)

I have wondered if she went to live with one of her daughters after the death of her husband?

I have all the history for the couple and their families, it's just finding her after the death of her husband that I really need help with

Nipping out for an hour but will check back soon to answer any questions and such

Thanks all :-)