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I have this family in 1851

Name: Richard Sarle Senr.
[Richard Searle]
Age: 80
Estimated birth year: abt 1771
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Landulph, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
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Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Morice
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 343
Piece: 1882
Folio: 38
Page Number: 70
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Sarle 80
Richard A Sarle 45
Catherine Sarle 32
Catherine J Sarle 4
Mary Sarle 3
Richard Sarle 1 Mo

and what appears to be same family in 1871

Name: Richard Seach
[Richard Searle]
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Seach
Gender: Male
Where born: Stoke Damerel, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: St Aubyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 248
Piece: 2128
Folio: 43
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Seach 65
Catherine Seach 47
Mary Seach 23
James Seach 11


Struggling to find them 1861. Can anyone help please?

Andy

Surname should be Searle, Serle or variation.

I think this is the marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1846 (>99%)
Bergen Catherine Plymouth 9 418
Searle Richard Plymouth 9 418

Andy

1851 from FMP for places of birth etc

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
52, Cannon Street, Stoke Demerel, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Sarle Sr Head Widower Male 80 1771 Fisherman Landulph, Cornwall, England
Richard Sarle Jr Son Married Male 45 1806 Out Pensioner Greenwich Devonport, Devon,
Catherine Sarle Daughter-In-Law Married Female 32 1819 - Waterford, Waterford, Ireland
Catherine J Searle Grand Daughter - Female 4 1847 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England
Mary Searle Grand Daughter - Female 3 1848 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England
Richard Searle Grand Son - Male 0 1851 - Devonport, Devon, England


And the Family in 1861

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
43, Cornwall Street, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Searle Occupier Married Male 55 1806 Pensioner R N Devonport, Devon, England
Catherine Searle Wife Married Female 38 1823 Pensioner R N Waterford, Waterford, Ireland
Mary Searle Daughter - Female 13 1848 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England
Richard Searle Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England
Jane Searle Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England
James Searle Son - Male 1 1860 - Devonport, Devon, England

Thank you Greyghost. Can't see them them on Ancestry at all.

Andy

From Ancestry

Catherine Searle
in the 1861 England Census

Name: Catherine Searle
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: 1823
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Waterford, Ireland
Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Morice
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 325
Piece: 1451
Folio: 22
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Broadrick 63
Mary A Louth 22
Elizabeth A Louth 3
Richard Searle 55
Catherine Searle 38
Mary Searle 13
Richard Searle 10
Jane Searle 8
James Searle

Ancestry version

If you check out the image, the Searle's are in a seperate household........

Jane Searle in the 1861 England Census
Name: Jane Searle
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: 1853
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Ann Broadrick
Gender: Female
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Morice
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 325
Piece: 1451
Folio: 22
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Broadrick 63
Mary A Louth 22
Elizabeth A Louth 3


Richard Searle 55 Pensioner R N
Catherine Searle 38 Waterford Ireland
Mary Searle 13
Richard Searle 10
Jane Searle 8
James Searle 1

here they are, Andy

I found them by entering no names, birth 1806, Devonport Devon, living Stoke Damerel

I suspect that Richard's wife and children have not been indexed, looking at the record that appeared ...........

Richard Searle 1806 Devonport, Devon, England Occupier (Occupant) Stoke Damerel, Devon

No wife showing

No idea why the entry would not come up based on first names and birth years, because I did try looking for Richard 1806!!


1861 Census

Name: Richard Searle
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: 1806
Relation: Occupier (Occupant)
Gender: Male
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub-registration district: Morice
ED, institution, or vessel: 1

Household schedule number: 325
Piece: 1451
Folio: 22
Page Number: 37

Ann Broadrick 63
Mary A Louth 22
Elizabeth A Louth 3
Richard Searle 55
Catherine Searle 38
Mary Searle 13
Richard Searle 10
Jane Searle 8
James Searle 1


The first 3 names are in a completely separate house!

snap

and snap

:-D :-D

Thank you both. Most helpful.

Andy

To confirm the marriage you found ................


SEARLE, CATHERINE JANE BERGEN
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in STOKE DAMEREL Volume 09 Page 446

Thanks all for the replies. Found her in 1871 as a servant still in Devonport.

As background. She 'might' be my Great grandmother.

I first pick her up in 1875 marrying Philip Kolter in Swansea. Her name is Jane Searl Robinson a widow. She has a child also Philip. Both Philips die very shortly afterwards. She is in 1881 (as Jane Holter) census and remarries in 1885 to George Crews and I have all history. The census from 1881 give her place of birth as Cork, Bristol and Swansea. On both marriage certs I have her father is Richard a Marine Captain. I have never found her any earlier than 1875 so this has to be a possible. Still can't find a marriage to a Robinson. She also seems to acquire a second son Joseph Kolter. The earliest I find him is in 1891 as Joe Kolter in Leicestershire. He jions the army and names his next of kin as Jane Crews mother. Have never found a birth for him either.

Now if I can link this Jane in Devonport. to the info I have........I have asked about this before without result, so please no more research about it.

Andy

Andy

first, for my reference


KOLTER, PHILIP SEARL
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 776


IF Joseph was born in 1874 (as per 1891 Census), then he was born before her marriage to Philip Kolter.

Could he have been an illegitimate child, fathered or accepted by Kolter??

I do see him on two ancestry trees as Joseph Searle Kolter

I notice that in 1991, Joseph says he was born in Cork, whereas he said Swansea in 1891.

Could your Jane have married Mr Robinson in Ireland, could Joseph have been born there in 1874, and Jane then moved over to Wales where she met and married Philip Kolter?

Could that be the reason why you cannot find a marriage for Jane Searl to Mr Robinson, nor a birth for Joseph?

(wasn't sure if you had below)

Chris :)

Devon Marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s)
Catherine (Spinster)
Last name Bergan
Marriage year 1846
Marriage date 20 Jan 1846
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, St Andrew
Father's first name(s) Arthur (Upholsterer)
Father's last name Bergan
Spouse's first name(s) Richard (Bachelor. Pensioner)
Spouse's last name Searle
Spouse's father's first name(s) Richard (Labourer)
Spouse's father's last name Searle
(wits. John Stanning, Bridget Thomas. Residence, Cannon Street (him) Basket Street (her)


Baptism for Catherine Jane Searle, 1846 Dec. 6 (Born October 23) Stoke Damerel. Occ. for Richard, Pensioner. Abode Devonport.


http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3332675/3332680/31/

(Philip Kolter Death 1875)

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