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Johanna was my 3rd gt. grandmother. I am looking for her birth around 1790 in Dartmouth, Devon, and her first marriage to Thomas Binnie, master mariner.

On Familysearchorg. there is the birth of four children between 1813 and 1819 in Portsea, Hampshire.

On 20th October, 1833, in Portsmouth, Hampshire, she marries William Foay, some years her junior. Their daughter Eliza is born about 1834 in Portsea, Hampshire.

After much searching I have found her on the 1841, 1851 and 1861. The 1851 and 1861 gives her birthplace as Dartmouth. On the 1841 her daughter Jane Binnie is with her so I know I have the right family.

The "master mariner" for her first husband comes from the marriage certificates of Ann Caroline and Emma two of her daughters.

Any help with tracing her birth, first marriage and information on Thomas Binnie would be very much appreciated.

Thank you
Jackie

The marriage


First name(s) THOMAS
Last name BINNIE
Marriage year 1812
Marriage day 26
Marriage month Jan
Place PORTSMOUTH ST THOMAS
Groom's first name Thomas
Groom's last name Binnie
Bride's first name Johanna
Bride's last name Byrne
Groom's notes
Bride's notes
Parish Portsmouth St Thomas
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set Hampshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain
Hampshire Genealogical Society

1851 census

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Judd Street, Saint Pancras, Middlesex, England


William Foay Head Married Male 40 1811 Hay Maker Dartmouth, Hampshire, England Transcription
Johanna Foay Wife Married Female 55 1796 - Dartmouth, Devon, England Transcription
Elizabeth Foay Daughter Unmarried Female 16. - 1835 stay maker. Portsmouth Hampshire

https://familysearch.org

Johanna Byrn
England Births and Christenings
Name Johanna Byrn
Gender Female
Christening Date 30 Oct 1790
Christening Place SAINT SAVIOR,DARTMOUTH,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name Henry Byrn
Mother's Name Johanna

Marriage

Name Henry Byrne
Spouse's Name Johanna Snell
Event Date 06 Feb 1788
Event Place Saint Savior, Dartmouth, Devon, England

Henry Byrn
England Births and Christenings
Name Henry Byrn
Gender Male
Christening Date 07 Sep 1788
Christening Place SAINT SAVIOR,DARTMOUTH,DEVON,ENGLAND
Father's Name Henry Byrn
Mother's Name Joanna

Hi Shirley and greyghost

Many thanks for all your help and the information. Can I ask Shirley? where did you find the marriage, was it on line or do you have a subscription to Hampshire Genealogical Society?

Once again many thanks.

Regards
Jackie

Joanna Byrne
mentioned in the record of Thomas Bennir and Joanna Byrne
Name Thomas Bennir
Spouse's Name Joanna Byrne
Event Date 26 Jan 1812
Event Place Saint Thomas,Portsmouth,Hampshire,England
Citing this Record

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N246-HL9 : 10 December 2014), Thomas Bennir and Joanna Byrne, 26 Jan 1812; citing Saint Thomas,Portsmouth,Hampshire,England, reference ; FHL microfilm 919,725, 919,730, 919,731, 919,732, 919,733.

Jacqueline ............


at a guess, Shirley got the marriage from FindMyPast, as that is where I have just found it.


Hampshire Marriages

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name BINNIE
Marriage year 1812
Marriage day 26
Marriage month Jan
Place PORTSMOUTH ST THOMAS
Groom's first name Thomas
Groom's last name Binnie
Bride's first name Johanna
Bride's last name Byrne
Groom's notes
Bride's notes
Parish Portsmouth St Thomas
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set Hampshire Marriages
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from United Kingdom

Hampshire Genealogical Society

Transcriptions © Hampshire Genealogical Society

from FindMyPast


Devon Baptisms

First name(s) Johanna
Last name Byrn
Birth year -
Baptism year 1790
Baptism date 30 Oct 1790
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place Dartmouth, St Saviour
Father's first name(s) Henry
Mother's first name(s) Johanna
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Archive reference 2992A/PR/1/3
Record set Devon Baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom

The image shows that this was a Private Baptism


Note the mistranscription for Thomas' surname on this one


England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) Joanna
Last name Byrne
Name note -
Marriage year 1812
Marriage date 26 Jan 1812
Marriage place Portsmouth
Spouse's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's last name Bennir <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from United Kingdom

The only Thomas Binnie's that I can find all seem to have been born in Scotland.

I wonder if the names of the children might help ....... ie, if Thomas and Johanna used a naming pattern.

I've found 3 of the births on FindMyPast ..


Hampshire baptisms

First name(s) ROBERT HENRY
Last name BINNIE
Birth year 1813
Baptism year 1813
Baptism day 28
Baptism month Oct
Son or daughter Son
First parent's first name(s) Thomas
Second parent first name(s) Joanna
Parish PORTSEA ST JOHN
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set Hampshire baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom



First name(s) ANN CAROLINE
Last name BINNIE
Birth year 1815
Baptism year 1815
Baptism day 19
Baptism month Sep
Son or daughter Daughter
First parent's first name(s) Thomas
Second parent first name(s) Johannah
Parish PORTSEA ST JOHN
County Hampshire
Country England
Notes Mariner
Record set Hampshire baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom



First name(s) JANE
Last name BINNIE
Birth year 1817
Baptism year 1817
Baptism day 23
Baptism month Mar
Son or daughter Daughter
First parent's first name(s) Thomas
Second parent first name(s) Joanna
Parish PORTSEA ST JOHN
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set Hampshire baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom



EDIT:-

and here's the fourth


Hampshire baptisms

First name(s) EMMA
Last name BINNIL
Birth year 1819
Baptism year 1819
Baptism day 17
Baptism month Aug
Son or daughter Daughter
First parent's first name(s) Thomas
Second parent first name(s) Johanna
Parish PORTSEA ST JOHN
County Hampshire
Country England
Record set Hampshire baptisms
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from United Kingdom

Daughter Jane came up on below query!...

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1362470?page=0

Chris :)


Chris Ho :) Report Edit Delete 4 Oct 2016 15:53

(possible below, 1851 61 71 already added above, with some Births)

Marriages Jun 1843 (>99)
BINNIE Jane Bloomsbury 1 95
EVANS Alfred Bloomsbury 1 95

Chris :)

Edits

All London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)

Alfred Evans (Bachelor. Occ. Cheese Monger. Father. William Evans. Occ. Clerk E.I.C. (East India Company?)
5 Jun 1843 Jane Binnie St George, Bloomsbury (Spinster. Father. Thomas Binnie. Occ. Master Mariner. Wits. Robert Lincoln, Heneage Catterns. Residence, Alfred, 19 Drury Lane, Jane, 8 Museum Street)


Hampshire baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) JANE
Last name BINNIE
Birth year 1817
Baptism year 1817
Baptism day 23
Baptism month Mar
Son or daughter Daughter
First parent's first name(s) Thomas
Second parent first name(s) Joanna
Parish PORTSEA ST JOHN


Hampshire Marriages Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) THOMAS
Last name BINNIE
Marriage year 1812
Marriage day 26
Marriage month Jan
Place PORTSMOUTH ST THOMAS
Groom's first name Thomas
Groom's last name Binnie
Bride's first name Johanna
Bride's last name Byrne


(if belowl)

Deaths Jun 1874 (>99%)
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Evans Jane 57 Whitechapel 1c 232


Edits (as 1841 not found on above, as below!)


1841 (Find My Past)
Wm Foy Male 35 1806 (Locksmith)
Hanna Foy Female 45 1796
Elizh Foy Female 6 1835
Jane Binsie Female 24 1817 (Staymaker)
Charlotte Lamb Female 15 1826
Street Judd Street
Parish or township St Pancras
Marylebone County Middlesex
Registration district St Pancras
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 682
Book number 3
Folio number 30
Page number 54



Marriage: 29 May 1864 St Thomas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Robert Henry Binnie - full Master Mariner Widower of Liverpool
Mary Jane Roberts - full Widow of Liverpool
Groom's Father: Thomas Binnie, Master Mariner
Bride's Father: George Cotterell, Gentleman
Witness: Amelia Archer; Thomas Archer
Married by Thos. L. Pain M. A. Incumbent by: Licence
Register: Marriages 1853 - 1876, Page 137, Entry 274
Source: LDS Film 1546064

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


All London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)

Robert Henry Binnie
14 Oct 1843 Sarah Jane Long Parish Chapel, St Pancras
(Master Mariner, Father, Thomas Binnie. Dead. Residence, Judd St. witness possibly Jane Evans)


http://www.dartmouth-history.org.uk/dartmouth/gene/htm/100146_0.htm

6/2/1788: Henry BYRNE, Mariner & Johanna SNELL, by Licence.
He signs. Wits; William Huxtable & Thos. Maddick.


Devon Baptisms Dartmouth, St Saviour, Devon, England (Find My Past)

Byrn Henry 1788 (September 7. Henry & Joanna)