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Thanks for the note on the Obituary, I have deleted a couple more names.
The marriage to Beatrice Rule was a surprise as I saw it on rootschat but had not seen any evidence of it.
Frederick Packer may have been born in London, as he is found in the 1901 wales census, but the transcription in Ancestry shows (his mother has remarried, was Mary ann Thomas)
Name: Frederick Packer
Age in 1901: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Stepson
Mother: Mary Ann Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: Pontypridd
Town: Pontypridd
Ecclesiastical parish: Pontypridd St Catherine
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
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JoonieCloonie, I am trying to find any information on Edwin and Arthur and their families, and to make contact if possible.
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Well that's good! You did see the links I gave to recent residential info for what must certainly be two of Jessie's sons?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K5J7-7ZJ
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K5JW-4SH
I tried here (then refine it by first names of the sons)
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Ross/Niagara-Falls-NY
and seem to have found son RJ but since it isn't 'restricted access' (to people in the US) it may be old.
No way to tell without trying the addresses or phone numbers.
Looking for son W, a listing shows up for William R aged 106! (maybe the phone continued to be listed in his name?) but also for a younger one.
Too many of those results are 'restricted access' ... maybe a member here who is in the US could access them.
ah wait. Obituary of son JF Ross:
http://www.lanefuneralhome.com/memsol.cgi?user_id=1307153
It indicates that the other two sons were still living in 2014. Quite a few names there for trying to trace!
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Fred was either born before their marriage (an illegitimate child of Mary) or was the child of Mary's relative- you would need the certificate to confirm:
Birth:
MIDDLECOTE, FRED - (no mother's maiden name included on GRO)
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 806
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Although in 1901 & 1911 he's listed as Stepson, in 1891 he's listed as nephew
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Elton Road, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England
Edwin Packer Head Married Male 24 1867 Iron Miner Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire,
Mary Ann Packer Wife Married Female 21 1870 - East Dean, Gloucestershire,
Fred Middlecote Nephew Single Male 0 1891 - East Dulwich, Middlesex,
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National School Admission Registers & Log-books
First name(s) Fred
Last name Packer
Birth year 1890
Birth date 22 Jul 1890
Event year 1900
School name Mill Street Board School (boys), Pontypridd
Town Pontypridd
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Parent name(s) Mary Thomas
Book type Admissions
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Marriage:
First name(s) FREDERICK
Last name PACKER
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1917
Spouse: MARY NEWMAN
District PONTYPRIDD
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A Page 1116
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1939 register (DOB matches school record):
Packer Household (6 People) 3 Canterbury Street , Coventry C.B., Warwickshire, England
Frederick Packer 22 Jul 1890 Male Millwrights Labourer Married
Mary Packer 29 Apr 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Mary N Clark (Packer) 07 Nov 1917 Female Aero Wing Coverer Single
Thelma M Treloar (Packer) 14 Apr 1919 Female Capstan Lathe Hand Single
Arthur B Newman 28 Jan 1915 Male Milling Machine Tool Setter Single
Francis Tallan 22 Jun 1906 Male Stonekeeper (Paint Stores) Single
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Death:
Name: Fred Middlecote
Birth Date: abt 1891
Date of Registration: Mar 1962
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Coventry
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c Page: 997
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The 1928 death would seem to be correct- and this looks like his wife & son in 1930:
1930 US Census Transcription (surname is Packer on original)
First name(s) Henry E
Last name Packes
Relationship Roomer
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 8
Birth year 1922
Birth place New York
Race White
Father's birth place England
Mother's birth place England
City/township Niagara Falls
County Niagara
State New York
England Thomas A Walton Head Married Male 44 1886
England Janet Walton Wife Married Female 40 1890
England Margaret J Packes Roomer Widowed Female 43 1887
New York Henry E Packes Roomer Single Male 8 1922
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Are you interested in the Son William, 1896?...
Chris :)
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3282784/3282786/9/
(1899 Death, Thomas Anthony Jones)
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Isn't Kevin looking for contact with descendants of Edwin and Arthur who went to Canada?
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He might be then, not sure, lol.
Chris :)
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Sorry for not replying, I have been away for a day, a friends birthday, enjoying the first days of a heat wave in South Australia.
Contact with the family would be good.
The obituary for James Ross matches details I have, but has added a lot of additional information.
The details for Fred packer (or Fred Middlecote) look correct as I could not find his birth, so his father is unknown at this stage. It is likely that he was a nephew as per the 1891 census and continued ti use the packer name until it was noted at his death.
I have details on the son William Lusitano Packer, 1896-1964.
Thanks for the help, that closes out what I was looking for for Edwin.
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ah, that's good then, just out of interest, was that the Marriage for William below?...
Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%)
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Packer William Vincent Pontypridd 11a 1370
Vincent Rhoda Packer Pontypridd 11a 1370
Chris :)
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"that closes out what I was looking for for Edwin"
Okay, so you weren't actually looking for contact with family then? I think it would take a matter of minutes to contact one of the Ross family in Niagara Falls.
I'm not a tree-builder myself, but of course I meet distant relations who are. I ask all of them not to put myself and my immediate/living relations in theirs, anywhere other than off-line, and not to share such info with anyone else ...
And my preference is not to go hunting for living descendants of people's ancestors unless it is for the purpose of meeting them, not of using them to expand a tree.
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