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According to this Arthur's wife was Margaret not Marion:
Arthur Packer
in the New York, County Marriages, 1847-1849; 1907-1936
Name: Arthur Packer
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1892
Marriage Date: 2 Mar 1914
Marriage Place: Niagara, New York, USA
Father: John Packer
Mother: Packer
Spouse: Margaret Van Gorder
Film Number: 000897558
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Jessie in the 1940 census
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3B7-WZR
Name Jessie Ross
Event Type Census
Event Date 1940
Event Place Ward 9, Niagara Falls, Niagara Falls City, Niagara, New York, United States
Gender Female
Age 26
Marital Status Married
Race (Original) White
Race White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Wife
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Birthplace New York
Birth Year (Estimated) 1914
Last Place of Residence Same Place
William R Ross Head M 29 New York
Jessie Ross Wife F 26 New York
W Ross Son M 6 New York
J Ross Son M 1 New York
husband's obituary
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKPV-934H
Name William R Ross
Event Type Obituary
Event Date 04 Feb 1991
Event Place New York, United States
Residence Place Niagara Falls
Gender Male
Age 80
Occupation Chemist, Treasurer
Birth Year (Estimated) 1911
Birthplace Rochester
Death Date 03 Feb 1991
Death Place Niagara Falls
Newspaper Buffalo News, The
Spouse and Children
Jessie Packer Wife Female
WL Son Male
JF Son Male
RJ Son Male
Parents and Siblings
ET Sister Female
CM Sister Female
I've edited to remove full names of living or possibly living people; they can be seen at familysearch
there are recent residential listings for two sons
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K5J7-7ZJ
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K5JW-4SH
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This is daughter Jessie Packer (in the 1920 census posted above) in the 1930 US census
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4R3-W8G
Name Jessie K Packer
Event Type Census
Event Date 1930
Event Place Niagara Falls, Niagara, New York, United States
Gender Female
Age 16
Marital Status Single
Race White
Race (Original) White
Relationship to Head of Household Maid
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Maid
Birth Year (Estimated) 1914
Birthplace New York
Father's Birthplace Canada (obviously her misunderstanding)
Mother's Birthplace England
Sheet Letter B
Sheet Number 12
I'm not entirely sure how he managed to have a daughter in NY state in 1913-1914 ...
here we are, her mother was Maria (see image)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q23C-CG1V
Name Jessie Packer
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1917 (February)
Event Place New York, United States
Gender Female
Age 3
Birth Year (Estimated) 1914
Birthplace Niagara Falls New York
she was travelling with Maria and destined to uncle Arthur in Niagara Falls
aged 3 yrs 5 months, father Edwin in Welland
She married in 1933 in NY
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZ9D-PVN
Name William R Ross
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 06 May 1933
Event Place Niagara, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 22
Birth Year (Estimated) 1911
Father's Name James Ross
Mother's Name Rose Grosso
Spouse's Name Jessie Packer
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 19
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1914
Spouse's Father's Name Edwin Packer
Spouse's Mother's Name Marion Mclean
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http://tinyurl.com/hmrvs28
(Niagara Falls Gazette. N.Y.)
(1928 Dies from Pneumonia. One Edwin on above (35), mention of wife Jean, Jessie, Daisy, Harry)
Chris :)
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actually in 1921 there is an Edwin Packer living in Welland who is aged 44 (1877) who is maybe more likely the one on the voters' list
he was unmarried and living with a married sister in 1921
so I think we can scratch the Edwin I posted above ...
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in 1940, Edwin Packer is on the Canadian voters' list (at Ancestry), shown as 'operator'. He is the only occupant shown for the address.
He is at the same address in Welland, 'gentelman' (sic), in 1945.
And again, retired, in 1949. He does not seem to appear after that.
The next election year seems to have been 1953, so it would appear that he died between 1949 and 1953. Ontario deaths for that period will not be publicly available in index form for some time yet but you could apply for a search for a death certificate.
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Do you have this?
Edwin L Packer
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Record Image View
View blank form
Name: Edwin L Packer
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1892
Birthplace: Wales
Home in 1920: Niagara Falls Ward 13, Niagara, New York
Street: Cleveland Avenue
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1919
[1918]
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Margaret C Packer
Father's Birthplace: Wales
Mother's Birthplace: Wales
Native Tongue: English
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Tiertck Tender
Industry: Steam RR
Employment Field: Wage or Salary
Naturalization Status: Alien
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin L Packer 28
Margaret C Packer 30
Jessie H Packer 6
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Chris, I checked find a grave website , no results.
Your details above are correct.
There were 4 brothers
Edwin Leonard b1891
Frederick b1892
Arthur b1893
William Lusitano b1896 (may have been born after Edwin's Death)
Mary Ann Married Thomas Anthony Jones in 1897
Hubert Jones Born 1898
Thomas Anthony Jones Died 1899
Now 5 children! no husband.
Mary Ann married Samuel Thomas in 1900, and had 9 more children
Then in 1901 Edwin and Arthur were sent to Canada as British Home Children.
Edwin came back to England during the first world war, a lot of BHC came back as service men so they could meet their families.
I have see a news report where he was arrested in England during the war for being drunk.
I do not know if he found his family as he was only 9 when he left for Canada.
It looks like his family went through hell in his younger days.
Arthur must have found his way back as he is listed in Ancestry as returning from England, with this mother as a contact.
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http://www.findagrave.com/
(in case anything on above)
Chris :)
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(some references on below also)
Chris :)
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?dbsig_num=1&researcher_id=265637&view=3231
(On May 20, 1919, Edwin L. Packer crossed into the United States through Niagra Falls, New York. He declared that he was a laborer; that he was widowed; that he was 29 years of age; that he resided in Welland, Ontario; and that he intended to visit his brother Arthur in Lewiston, New York, for a few days visit.)
Births Sep 1891 (>99%)
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Packer Edwin Leonard Westbury S 6a 255
Baptism
1891 packer edwin leonard Mother newnham d2689/2/13 Non-conformist
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx
Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
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Packer Arthur Westbury S. 6a 247
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3737556/3737560/42/
(reference Edwin Packer 1896)
http://www.wildot.co.uk/wos_br.htm
30 July 1892 - Gloucester Journal - Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
THE DIFFERENCES SETTLED.
Edwin Packer, a miner, Littledean, was summoned for committing an aggravated assault upon Mary Ann Packer, his wife, on the 16th inst. - Neither party apeared, and P.S. White said they were now living together again.
22 September 1894 - Gloucester Citizen - Gloucester, Gloucestershire
LITTLEDEAN PETTY SESSIONS.
A NEGLECTFUL HUSBAND. Edwin Packer, of Elton, Westbury-on-Severn, was charged with allowing his wife and three children to become inmates of the Union Workhouse at Westbury-on-Severn. Prisoner was further charged with assaulting his wife on the 13th inst. He was bound over in a £10 bond to keep the peace for six months on the assault charge. The other case was adjourned for a month, prisoner in the meanwhile to pay his wife 8s. per week.
(if another Son)
PACKER William Lusitano (MIDDLECOTE) 2 91
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx
Births Sep 1896 (>99%)
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PACKER William Lusitano Westbury S. 6a 234
11 October 1916 - Gloucestershire Echo - Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
GENERAL DISTRICT NEWS.
Two soldiers - Edwin Leonard Packer, a Canadian infantryman, and Frederick Stockwell, private in the Gloucstershire Regiment, were charged with absenting themselves from their regiments and handed over to a military escort.
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Sorry this is a bit long but is one of my brick-walls I am having an attempt at this year, requiring some research in Canada and USA
I am searching for Edwin Leonard Packer (my wife's grandfather) (b. 1891) and Arthur Packer (b. 1893), born Pontypridd, Wales
They were British Home children sent to Canada in 1901 on the Tunisian as Dr Barnardo's children.
I have not yet tried to get details from Barnardo's, this could be long winded and expensive.
There was tragedy in their family, as the boys father Edwin Packer committed suicide in 1896 (details in online newspapers), and their mother Mary Ann Packer (nee Middlecotte) then remarried twice, so the 2 boys ended up at Dr Barnado's home and shipped to Canada.
I have a marriage for Edwin in 1910 with Beatrice Rule (but not her death as Edwin remarried).
Edwin Married Marion (Maria?) McLean in 1913, Niagara Falls, Welland (certificate on line).
Edwin/Marion had children, Jessie (b.1914) and Daisy (b.1915), born in Niagara Falls USA (must have lived and worked in USA at some stage), as the children all remained in the USA
Edwin Joined Canadian Army 1915 (have some papers, not all details are on-line as yet)
Wife Marion d. 1918 Welland, Ontario, Canada
Re-married 1919 Meggie Jean Mary Moffatt in Newcastle upon Tyne, (In England during war Service)
Son Henry Edwin Packer (my wife’s father) b1922 Niagara Falls, USA
The couple split up as Henry Edwin Packer moved to England as a child (trips show up in ancestry) and Edwin Leonard remained in Canada, but have not found any details for him after this date.
Arthur was on the same ship to Canada but disappeared, as he did not seem to have a Barnardos placement
Arthur married Marion Van Gorder (nee Williams Father: William Williams, Mother Marion Griffiths), born Nanticke, USA in 1914 (witnesses were Mr and Mrs Edwin Packer) certificate on Line.
In 1917, Arthur Packer stated on his Draft Registration in Niagara Falls, New York that he was born in South Wales; that he was married; that he was a night watchman for an electrical company; and that he declared dependency as a waiver to his service in the armed forces.
In 1927 he is listed on a ship from Liverpool to Halifax (ship Scythia), having visited his motor (Mary Ann Thomas – remarried) at 26 Mound Rd, Pontyprid wales. His address was (Wife Mrs M) 826 James Avenue, Niagara Falls (USA??). It also listed he lived in Canada 1901 – 1911, at 56 ½ Wilson Avenue Timmins, Ontario and Passage was paid by Mr Kremans, landed as an immigrant at Canada, trade – Carpenter, listed as married
Then I have no details on him
Any help of the 2 would really assist me in my research
Thanks from down under
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