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I am trying to find ancestors of Andrew Dalligan 1827c Tipperary and Eliza Magner 1832 Cork as I cannot go any further back. They married in Southwark 1858 and their son was Lawrence 1863 Walworth. Thank you

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Andrew Dallagan
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: Andrew Dallagan
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1829
Baptism Date: 8 Dec 1829
Baptism Place: Killenaule, Tipperary, Ireland
Residence Place: Balleigh-bue
Parish Variants: Killenaule and Moyglass, Moyglass
Diocese: Cashel and Emly
Father: John Dallagan
Mother: Margt Grogan


EDIT:

No, it looks as if that one must have died in childhood, as there's a later baptism in the same name, presumably a later child:

Andrew Dalagan
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: Andrew Dalagan
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1838
Baptism Date: 23 Jul 1838
Baptism Place: Killenaule, Tipperary, Ireland
Residence Place: Ballaghbien
Parish Variants: Killenaule and Moyglass, Moyglass
Diocese: Cashel and Emly
Father: John Dalagan
Mother: Margt Grogan

The marriage cert should give his father's name

So his father was John

in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Eliza Magner
Spouse: Andrew Dalagan
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 Jan 1858
Parish: St Mary, Newington
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Patrick Magner
Spouse Father: John Dalagan
Register Type: Parish Register

Andrew was a Cooper .his father was a labourer
Eliza father was a blacksmith

Tha actual parish cert is on Ancestry
They both signed with an X as the mark of

Banns for three Sundays before ending 13 Dec 1857

Andrew Dalagan
Spouse: Eliza Magner
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 13 Dec 1857
Parish: St Mary, Newington
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register

Eliza Dalligan
Birth Date: abt 1832
Date of Registration: Mar 1917
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 453

He was in the workhouse at one time

in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930

Name: Andrew Dallagan
Discharge Date: 21 Apr 1879
Discharge Age: 42
Record Type: Discharge
Borough: Southwark
Parish or Poor Law Union: Southwark
Title: Newington Workhouse, Westmoreland Road Register, 1879
Signed out as his own request

Thank you very much ArgyllGran and Shirley

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Andrew Callaghan Head Married Male 23 1838 Cooper Tipperary, Tipperary, Ireland
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Eliza Callaghan Wife Married Female 25 1836 - Cork, Cork, Ireland
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Ann Callaghan Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
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John Callaghan Son - Male 0 1861 - Walworth, Surrey, England

You say his YOB was c1827 - as per 1881 census - but 1871 says c1835 and the workhouse record makes his YOB 1837 - so maybe he is the second Andrew whose baptism I posted above.

EDIT: and the 1861 posted above by safc says c1838:


Andrew Dalligan
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Andrew Dalligan
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relationship to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Tipperrary, Ireland
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 2 Gonletons Bldgs
Occupation: Cooper
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 560
Folio: 108
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Mafner 48
Catherine Mafner 52
Timothy Mafner 19
Thomas Mafner 16
Andrew Dalligan 54



Andrew Dallagan
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Andrew Dallagan
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household schedule number: 257
Piece: 640
Folio: 125
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Timothy Bryan 35
Julia Bryan 30
Mary Bryan 5
Timothy Bryan 3
Eliza Bryan 2 Months
Andrew Dallagan 36 - cooper
Amrah Dallagan 13
Lawrence Dallagan 8

DELIGAN, JOHN MAGNER Order
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 182

John & Margaret's marriage ?

John Dalligan
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: John Dalligan
Gender: Male
Event Type: Marriage
Residence Place: Beallachbuoy
Marriage Date: 9 Jan 1825
Marriage Place: Killenaule, Tipperary, Ireland
Parish Variants: Killenaule and Moyglass, Moyglass
Diocese: Cashel and Emly
Spouse: Margaret Graygan

DALIGAN, MARGARET MAGNER Order
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 80

DELIGEN, MARGARET MAGNER Order
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY, SURREY Volume 01D Page 83

Another child:

Mary Daligan
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: Mary Daligan
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1828
Baptism Date: 15 Aug 1828
Baptism Place: Killenaule, Tipperary, Ireland
Residence Place: Balloghboy
Parish Variants: Killenaule and Moyglass, Moyglass
Diocese: Cashel and Emly
Father: John Daligan
Mother: Margaret Grogan


And another - Laurence, so this could be the right family, as Andrew named his son Laurence:

Laurence Dallagan
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: Laurence Dallagan
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1841
Baptism Date: 28 Dec 1841
Baptism Place: Killenaule, Tipperary, Ireland
Residence Place: Ballaghbue
Parish Variants: Killenaule and Moyglass, Moyglass
Diocese: Cashel and Emly
Father: John Dallagan
Mother: Margaret Grogan

Probably the above Laurence, possible brother of Andrew.
He's also a cooper.


Laurence Deligan
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Laurence Deligan
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margret Deligan
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 279
Piece: 737
Folio: 58
Page Number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Laurence Deligan 28
Margret Deligan 27
Margret Deligan 6
Cathrine Deligan 3
Ellen Deligan 2


Laurence Daligan
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Laurence Daligan
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Margaret Daligan
Gender: Male
Where born: Tipperary, Ireland
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 42 George Row
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Cooper
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 564
Folio: 85
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Laurence Daligan 40
Margaret Daligan 36
Mary C. Daligan 13
Eleanor B. Daligan 11
John Daligan 7
Elizabeth Daligan 4
Laurence Daligan 2
Daniel Daligan

Maybe his death, though age is out:

Lawrence Daligan
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Lawrence Daligan
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 51
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 169



His marriage ??

Laurence Delegance
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Laurence Delegance
Spouse: Margaret Shea
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Feb 1863
Parish: Holy Trinity, Hounslow
Borough: Hounslow
Register Type: Parish Register

Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%)
Deligan Denis St Geo. Sk 1d 217
Kaogh Thomas St George Southwark 1d 217
MAGNER Mary St Geo Southk. 1d 217
MAGRATH Eliza St Geo Southk. 1d 217

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1350891

(does above relate, might be more)

Chris :)

Thanks very much for your help safc and ArgyllGran

Try adding Ireland to your heading/title of post, if you need further help.

Chris :)