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Well looking in 'Search All Member Trees', Florence varies!, all seem to have below...

Hedge End, Southampton

Chris :)

Florence born Romsey 1890 is defo Caroline and George's child, at least according to the 1891 and 1901 censuses I posted, but there is no sign of an Asher with the family in those two censuses, and the child born 1907 in the 1911 census safc posted looks like an Arthur on the image as well as in the transcription.

Just wondering what Patricia's grounds are for believing Florence to have a sibling Asher, but I realise I may be missing something...

(not sure of things here either!, below as Patricia mentions)

Chris :)

Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
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Jurd Florence Murphy S.Stoneham 2c 282
Murphy Jerimiah P Jurd S. stoneham 2c 282


Edits ('Old' below)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1069567

(Can anyone help? I am trying to find the descendants of Florence Jurd b.1892 married Jeremiah Patrick Murphy in 1919. They had at least 6 children one of whom was named Georgina b.1924. at that time the family were living in Liverpool. Having not found any descendants, I am inclined to think that they emigrated.
I would be grateful for any info.
Regards, Pat.)


Births Dec 1924 (>99%)
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Murphy Georgina Jurd Liverpool 8b 95

HI Chris,

My gut feeling, at least re Ashley Emery Judd, is that he is the child of Asher and Elizabeth, not Caroline and George, what you found seems to tie in with that Asher, but I don't know if Patricia has evidence of another Asher who might be a sibling to Florence...I assume something must make her believe there is a connection, but at the moment I'm just not seeing it. :-S

(Sorry Kucinta, didn't get to search Census this morning)

Not related Patricia, just helping out!.

Chris :)

(saw below)

National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Asher
Last name Jurd
Birth year 1885
Birth date 22 Jul 1885
Event year 1891
School name Sholing School
Town Southampton
County Hampshire
Parent name(s) Asher


(also below?)

First name(s) Florence
Last name Jurd
Birth year 1891
Birth date 10 Jul 1891
Event year 1895
School name Netley Board/Council Infants School
Town Netley
County Hampshire
Parent name(s) William
(Residence, Victoria Rd.)


Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
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Jurd Florence Romsey 2c 80

JURD, FLORENCE (JURD)
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in ROMSEY Volume 02C Page 80


Births Jun 1901 (>99%)
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JURD Florence May S. Stoneham 2c 68

(or)

JURD, FLORENCE MAY (TARGETT)
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 68

I've looked at the 1911 census safc posted, and Arthur Greenol Ian Jurd definitely seems to have been written as Arthur and not as an Asher, can't find a birth for an Asher c1907, unless it's been mistranscribed in FreeBMD.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
56 Butlocks Heath Netley, Hound, Hampshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
George Jurd Head - Male Gas House Stoker 51 1860 Hants Hedgend
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Carline Jurd Wife Married Female - 53 1858 Hants Hedgend
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Edith Jurd Daughter Single Female Servant Genrel Domestic 29 1882 Hants Sholling
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Birty Jurd Son - Male School 13 1898 Hants Netley Hound
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Marble Jurd Daughter Single Female School 11 1900 Hants Netley Hound
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Arther Greenol Ian Jurd Son - Male - 4 1907 Hants Netley Hound
Transcription
Ellen Jurd Granddaughter - Female - 3 1908 Hants Netley Hound

9 children born 9 living married 30 years

George and Caroline in census 1901, no Asher:


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
25, Victoria Road, Hound, South Stoneham, Hampshire, England

George Jurd Head Married Male 40 1861 Coachman Not Domestic Hedge End, Hampshire, England
Caroline Jurd Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Hedge End, Hampshire, England
Edith Jurd Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Servant Domestic Sholing, Hampshire, England
William Jurd Son - Male 13 1888 Groom Boy Hampshire, England
Florence Jurd Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Romsey, Hampshire, England <<<<<<
Sidney Jurd Son - Male 7 1894 - Romsey, Hampshire, England
Beatie Jurd Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Hound, Hampshire, England
Mabel Jurd Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Hound, Hampshire, England

Nor in 1891:


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Palmerston Street, Romsey Extra, Romsey, Hampshire, England

George Jurd Head Married Male 31 1860 Brewers Drayman Hedge End, Hampshire, England
Caroline Jurd Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Hedge End, Hampshire, England
Edith Jurd Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Hedge End, Hampshire, England
Emily E Jurd Daughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Hedge End, Hampshire, England
William Jurd Son - Male 2 1889 - Hedge End, Hampshire, England
Florence Jurd Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Romsey, Hampshire, England<<<<

I still don't see an Asher Jurd with Caroline and George for parents, just the one with Asher and Elizabeth as parents :-S

Thanks Chris. My mother was illegitimate daughter of Florence Jurd, sister to Asher. Florence went on to marry Jerimiah patrick Murphy so that side of the family areprobably unaware of my side. Must say that the Murphy road has been particularly difficult to put it mildly. If you are connected, May I have access to your tree please?

HI Chris,

Have you actually found Asher Jurd with Caroline and George in a census? I can only find an Ashley Jurd (no middle initial) c 1885/86 with parents Asher and Elizabeth

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

New Cottages, Shoting Lane, Hound, South Stoneham, Hampshire, England

Asher Jurd Head Married Male 41 1850 Labourer Botley, Hampshire, England
Elizabeth Jurd Wife Married Female 43 1848 - Botley, Hampshire, England
Edith Jurd Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Botley, Hampshire, England
Elizabeth Jurd Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Botley, Hampshire, England
Arthur Jurd Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Hound, Hampshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<Asher on the census image

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Old Cottage, 1, Ludlow Road Sholing Lane, Sholing, South Stoneham, Hampshire, England

Asher Jurd Head Married Male 50 1851 Gardener (Domestic) Hampshire, England
Elizabeth Jurd Wife Married Female 52 1849 - Hampshire, England
Edith Jurd Daughter Single Female 21 1880 - Hampshire, England
Asher Jurd Son Single Male 15 1886 Dairy Man Sholing, Hampshire, England<<<<<<<<<<

Same birthplace as Asher married to Eliza for under 1 year in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Ash Cottage Church Road Sholing, Itchen, Hampshire, England

Asher Jurd Head Married Male Railway Contruction Labourer 26 1885 Sholing Near Soton Hants <<<<<<<<<<<
Eliza Jurd Wife Married Female - 32 1879 North End Near Soton Hants

EDIT: Eliza and Asher have same birth years as in the 1939 register

Marriages Jun 1910
Jurd Asher Emery S. Stoneham 2c 142
MILLS Elisa Jane S. Stoneham 2c 142

JURD, EDITH (EMERY)
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 58

(above in household also on 1939. Single (1/5/79)

Apologies, at 1, Seaward Rd., with what looks to be below couple perhaps?)

Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
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HARDING Edward S. Stoneham 2c 125 (5/9/82) (on 1939)
JURD Elizabeth S. Stoneham 2c 125 (27/7/81)


JURD, ELIZABETH (EMERY)
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 65

Chris :)

1939 Register


Jurd Household (2 People)

2 Seaward Road , Southampton C.B., Hampshire, England


Asher E Jurd 22 Jul 1885 Male Labourer (Building) Married 413 1
Eliza J Jurd 22 Feb 1879 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 413 2


Ref: RG101/2292K/009/5 Letter Code: ECBZ

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Which one on above link?...

Chris :)

(presuming Parents below)

Marriages Mar 1881 (>99%)
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JURD Caroline S. Stoneham 2c 67
JURD George S. Stoneham 2c 67


Births Sep 1885 (>99%)
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Jurd Asher Emery S. Stoneham 2c 48

JURD, ASHER EMERY (EMERY)
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 48


Deaths Mar 1971 (>99%)
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JURD Asher Emery 22Jy1885 Southampton 6b 2055


http://www.plimsoll.org/images/1925resd_tcm4-165107.pdf

(1925. Asher Emery Jurd. 53, St. Monica rd. Sholing)

Trying to locate descendants of Asher Jurd. Parents were George & Caroline Jurd.