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HELP I am trying to follow the line of Robert Cheyne, born 1777 in Dunnrossness. I thought I was getting on just fine and then found there were two Robert Cheynes born in Dunnrossness in 1777. The one I am trying to follow is the one born to Robert Cheyne and Ursula Mather. So am I looking at Robert Cheyne born in Sumburgh or Robert Cheyne born in Scatness. Or are they the same person.
A very confused Roy
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think you have miss typed the year in your heading
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Robert Cheyne
in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
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Name: Robert Cheyne
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 Dec 1777
Baptism Date: 4 Jan 1778
Baptism Place: Dunrossness,Shetland,Scotland
Father: Cheyne
Mother: Ursula Mader
FHL Film Number: 919487
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The present day parish of Dunrossness includes both Sumburgh and Scatness.
Where did you find the information about two births / baptisms in 1777?
And specifically in Sumburgh and Scatness?
There's nothing coming up on Scotlands People, and Ancestry and FamilySearch only show the one posted by Maddie.
He's in a family tree on Ancestry.
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I only see one Robert Cheyne in censuses - although of course if there was another one he could have died before 1841:
I suspect several households have been transcribed together for 1841 (on Ancestry):
Robert Cheyne
in the 1841 Scotland Census
Name: Robert Cheyne
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1776
Gender: Male
Where born: Orkney and Shetland, Scotland
Civil Parish: Lerwick
County: Orkney and Shetland
Address: Main St
Occupation: Fisherman
Parish Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Laurence Cheyne 60
Joanna Cheyne 60
Jean Clark 35
Barbara Clark 5
Ann Clark 7 Mo
Robert Cheyne 65
Margery Cheyne 60
Hannah Cheyne 20
May Morrison 9
Robert Arthur 42
Jane Arthur 45
James Arthur 14
Robert Arthur 11
Grace Linklater 65
Grace Duncan 25
Catharine Duncan 20
Ann Halcrow 38
Grace Halcrow 15
John Halcrow 14
Jane Halcrow 2
Robert Cheyne
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name: Robert Cheyne
Age: 75
Estimated birth year: abt 1776
Relationship: Head
Spouse: Margery Cheyne
Gender: Male
Where born: Dunrosness
Parish Number: 5
Civil Parish: Lerwick
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County: Shetland
Address: 151 Commercial St
Occupation: Labourer Fisherman
ED: 3
Page: 29
Household schedule number: 133
LINE: 4
Roll: CSSCT1851_2
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Cheyne 75
Margery Cheyne 74
Maryery Morrison 20
Barbara Mouat 19
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The info is from http://www.bayanne.info/Shetland/search.php?myfirstname=robert&mylastname=cheyne&mypersonid=&idqualify=equals
One suggests that he died before 1841 and the other does not have much information. I'm inclined to think they are the same person.
the 1851 one you have posted AG appears to be this one.
Robert CHEYNE
Born 1774 Dunrossness, SHI, SCT Find all individuals with events at this location
Gender Male
Census 1841 Resident at Main Street, Lerwick. Find all individuals with events at this location [1]
Census 1851 Resident at 151 Commercial Street, Lerwick. Find all individuals with events at this location [1]
Occupation Sheriff Officer in Lerwick
Died 6 Apr 1860 Craigies Street, Lerwick, SHI, SCT Find all individuals with events at this location [2]
Chronic bronchitis
Buried Churchyard, Lerwick, SHI, SCT Find all individuals with events at this location
Person ID I140989 Shetland
Last Modified 17 Jun 2014
Father Alexander CHEYNE, b. Bef 1756, d. UNKNOWN
Mother Barbara MOUAT, b. Bef 1756, d. UNKNOWN
Family ID F120490 Group Sheet | Family Chart
Family Marjory WILLIAMSON, b. 1776, Scousburgh, Dunrossness, SHI, SCT d. 26 Sep 1852, Lerwick, SHI, SCT (Age 76 years)
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Thanks all that have answered my request about Robert Cheyne, but I am still totally confused. Also I must apologise for the delay in replying, have had 3 grandchildren for a couple of weeks so no chance to do family tree stuff.
Now onto my problem, I have two Robert Cheyne's born in Dunrossness in 1777.
All this information come from the Shetland Family History site. The first one is Robert born 20/12/1777 in Sumburgh, Dunrossness, parents Robert Cheyne and Ursula Mather. His ID # on the site is 19792. No further info about him on this number.
The second one, id # 162590 was born 1777 ( no date ) in Scatness, Dunrossness. He married a Janet Burgess and had 7 children but I do not have his parents names.
Do any of you bright people out there think these two Roberts are the same person, as that is the way I am thinking. Please Please help me I am going in circles trying to sort this out.
Roy Horwell, New Zealand
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it seems scaitness is part of dunrossness
Map - Bing
https://www.bing.com/maps/
Dunrossness, (Old Norse: Dynrastarnes meaning "headland of the loud tide-race", referring to the noise of Sumburgh Roost) is the southernmost parish of Shetland, Scotland. Historically the name Dunrossness has usually referred to the area on the Shetland mainland south of Quarff.[1] However, in 2016 there were three separate Shetland Community Councils for a) Gulberwick, Quarff and Cunningsburgh; b) Sandwick; and c) Dunrossness.[2] The 2011 census defined Dunrossness as including everybody within the British ZE2 postal code, which goes as far north as Gulberwick. It has the best and largest area of fertile farmland of any parish in Shetland.[3] Dunrossness includes the island of Mousa, Levenwick, St Ninian's Isle, Bigton, Scousburgh, the Lochs of Spiggie and Brow, Boddam, Quendale, Virkie, Exnaboe, Grutness, Toab, Ness of Burgi, Clumlie Broch, Scatness, Sumburgh Airport, Sumburgh Head, West Voe, the islands of Lady's Holm, Little Holm, Horse Holm island and Fair Isle.[1]
Dunrossness is associated with a number of eminent people, such as Haldane Burgess, George Stewart,[4] Sir Herbert J.C. Grierson,[5] Jenny Gilbertson, Elizabeth Balneaves as well as that symbol of providence Betty Mouat. The author Sir Walter Scott visited Dunrossness in 1814 and wrote the novel The Pirate, which is set mostly in the Parish.[6] Robert Stevenson built Shetland's first lighthouse at Sumburgh Head in 1821,[6] and his son Thomas Stevenson and his grandson, the author Robert Louis Stevenson, visited the Shetland lighthouses and Fair Isle in 1870.[7]
Dunrossness had 1,505 sites of archeological interest in 2016, 181 of them scheduled (i.e. nationally important).[3] For example, Jarlshof, perhaps the best known prehistoric archaeological site in Shetland and Old Scatness (which has mediaeval, Viking, Pictish, and Iron Age remains) both lie within the parish of Dunrossness.[8]
Scatness is a settlement on the headland of Scat Ness at the southern tip of the South Shetland Mainland, Scotland, across the West Voe of Sumburgh from Sumburgh Head and close to Sumburgh Airport, the Shetland Islands' main airport. Scatness is in the parish of Dunrossness.
Scatness includes the housing estates of Sanblister Place and Colonial Place. On the east side of Scat Ness are the beaches of Outer and Inner Tumble Wick, which were Haaf Stations during the days of the Haaf Fishing.
At the south easternmost point of Scatness, off the A970 road, lies the Ness of Burgi fort,[1] an Iron Age blockhouse resembling a broch. The site is in the care of Historic Scotland.
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PM from Roy - applicable to everyone:
thanks for your help, New Zealand is a long way from the Shetlands and need help from over there sometimes.
Roy
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(also had same, but apart from reading through past 'Threads', and starting over, with help from that bayanne info. link, or Scotlands People, not sure what to advise)
http://www.bayanne.info/Shetland/index.php
(above does have a Contact Us)
Chris :)
(and of course, not leaving out help from you Scottish folk, who probably have the 'knowledge' a lot more than me, lol)
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Unfortunately, as already said, on Scotlands People there's no sign of the birth of any Robert Cheyne or other spelling, in Shetland, in 1770-80, and the only one on Ancestry or FS is the son of Ursula.
Nor do I see a Cheyne / Burgess marriage.
It is possible that both the Roberts you mention, Roy, are the same person, but I don't think we can prove it.
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A lookup at http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl supports AG's suspicion. It shows Laurence Cheyne and the 4 names following his living in a h/h on Main Street.
Clicking on the next h/h button shows Robert Cheyne and the remaining 14 names in AG's post living in the next h/h, also on Main Street..
From
http://www.bayanne.info/Shetland/getperson.php?personID=I140994&tree=ID1
we see Robert CHEYNE and Ursula MATHER had 6 kids. D.o.d's are given for the youngest 4, so presumably their d.certs support this.
The older two (Robt of Sumburgh and John) have no known d.o.d.
Here's the 3 youngest boys in 1841:
1841 Census
Piece: SCT1841/3 Place: Dunrossness -Shetland Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Dunrossness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dunrossness&FairIsle
Folio: 4 Page: 12
Address: Hestensgote
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CHEYNE Laurence M 55 Fisherman Shetland
CHEYNE Barbara F 55 Shetland
CHEYNE Ursula F 25 Shetland
CHEYNE Sinclair M 20 Fisherman Shetland
JOHNSON Magnus M 20 Male Servant Shetland
IRVINE William M 20 Lodger Shetland
MOODIE Elizabeth F 60 Female Servant Shetland
Hestingott
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/531832
Subject Location HU 386 121 [100m precision]
1841 Census
Piece: SCT1841/3 Place: Dunrossness -Shetland Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Dunrossness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dunrossness&FairIsle
Folio: 4 Page: 15
Address: Exnaboe
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CHEYNE Sinclair M 50 Fisherman Shetland
CHEYNE Barbara F 50 Shetland
CHEYNE Robert M 25 Fisherman Shetland
CHEYNE Margaret F 20 Shetland
CHEYNE Andrina F 15 Shetland
CHEYNE Janet F 15 Shetland
CHEYNE Sinclair M 10 Shetland
CHEYNE James M 8 Shetland
BAIRNSON William M 15 Male Servant Shetland
CHEYNE Helen F 55 Shetland
Exnaboe HU 398 118
1841 Census
Piece: SCT1841/3 Place: Dunrossness -Shetland Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Dunrossness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Fair Isle
Folio: 5 Page: 6
Address: School House
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CHEYNE James M 50 Teacher Shetland
CHEYNE Elizabeth F 50 Shetland
CHEYNE Grizel F 15 Shetland
CHEYNE Andrina F 15 Shetland
CHEYNE Margaret F 13 Shetland
STOUT James M 15 Male Servant Shetland
The Methodist Church, Fair Isle
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/893278
Subject Location HZ 203 701 [100m precision]
Go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html
and enter HZ 203 701as the OS Grid Reference
The oldest 1:2500 map available is 1971 - much too recent, so we're forced to go to the smaller scale 1881 1:10560
There's a + magnifier in the top left of map, and at top right just off map there's a button with a square on that turns off the blue overlay
The marker's at Haa, maybe 100m SW of the kirk.
If one heads WNW from Kirk towards Leogh, after 50m one comes to the (co-ed) school.
Also note Busta is 300m E of kirk.
On the 1971 1:2500 map, it looks like the old school is now a church hall and I think it's a museum today.
The current school first appears on the 1908 map - follow the track NNE from the methodist hirk for 700m.
http://www.knittingmuseum.com/tag/fair-isle/
Look at the name of this URL
http://www.knittingmuseum.com/2014/02/02/schoolhouse-press-yarns/
If one goes to James hit at http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
There are buttons to show previos and next h/hs.
The previous h/h is at Lough and the next but one is at Busta.
These buttons can be useful in attempting to reconstruct the enumerator's route and locate renamed/demolished places.
James died on Foula so:
View of Foula from above the pier
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3150793
Subject Location HT 9705 3893 [10m precision]
One can lookup both the newer Landranger style coords (like HT 9705 3893) and its equivalent old style OS coordinates (like 397050,1138930) at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/
As you'll see from the URLthe search takes you to, the latter includes x=397050&y=1138930 which are the coords of the arrow point (and are as input).. A look up of HT 9705 3893 shows the arrow tip is at x=397055&y=1138935, i.e., both the input easting and the northing have been increased by half the precision for the arrow tip's location. Streetmap puts you on a streetmap at zoom level 2 - more useful are the topgraphical maps at zoom levels 3 and 4 - the last forms the inset map on geograph. NB the blue grid lines are 1km apart.
The coords 397055,1138935 show the point is 397055 m E of the zero datum line just off the W coast of Saoy and St Kilda (nearly 400 km), and is 1138935 m N of the S-most Scilly Isle (i.e., over 1100 km).
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