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Well I found the death of Phillip Baird, he died 25th January 1907 at Hartwood Asylum, Shotts. North Lanarkshire. Aged 69 . which would make his date of birth c.1838. He was listed on the 1871 census as being a Miner, but also listed as a Lunatic, so that all seems to fit.
I still only have Ireland as a place of birth, but his father was Richard Baird and his mother was Jane Moore but I have had no luck finding them, his father was listed as deceased at the time of Philip's marriage in 1857, his marriage certificate states his mothers maiden name was also Baird, but Philips death certificate shows her maiden name as Moore (registered by his son David)
None of he census entries show anything other than Ireland as his place of birth.
Thanks again for all the information and help !

Wow, thank you so much Greyghost, and Chris Ho, the newspaper article refering to Philip is superb. Overtown is listed as the marriage location for Phillips daughter Margaret, so that all seems to fit . She Married a George Young 2nd August 1878 in Overtown . He died at sea, listed as a ships cook.
Thank you again for all the wonderful information .

(if below man relates to Philip somewhere!)

Chris :)

http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/358.html

13 January 1885
Fatal Pit Accident At Wishaw – A miner named Alexander Baird, 52 years of age, residing at Overtown, was so severely injured by a fall of coal from the roof in No 9 pit Garriongill Colliery (Coltness Iron Company's) that he died yesterday from the effects of the accident. [Scotsman 15 January 1885]

?? Philip in 1901 even though it says born Dalserf, Scotland. (Is in Lanarkshire)
Not seeing a Philip Baird of comparable age in Scotland on previous census.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Philip
Last name Baird
Relationship Patient
Marital status Married
Gender Male
Age 67
Birth year 1834
Occupation Coal Miner
Birth town Dalserf
Birth town as transcribed DALSERF
Birth county Lanarkshire
Birth county as transcribed LANARKSHIRE
Birth place Scotland
Birth place other as transcribed SCOTLAND
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Street -
Town -
Parish Shotts
City -
Country Scotland
County Lanarkshire
Municipal ward -
Registration district Middle Shotts
Archive reference RG13
Piece number -


Google - there appears to have been a Psychiatric hospital at Hartwood, close by Shotts and also Shotts Sanatorium for infectious diseases - mainly TB

Saw below...

Chris :)

05 May 1870 - Glasgow Herald - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Pit Accident.
On Saturday last, 30th April, Philip Baird aged 35, residing at Wemysshill Row, Overtown, got himself injured under the following circumstances.

Baird was employed as collier at Coltness Iron Coy.'s no. 5 pit, Garriongill colliery, and when engaged holing at the face of the workings, a small stone only about 14lbs in weight, struck him on the right leg, by which it was fractured above the ankle. The injured man was carried home by some of his fellow workmen, and attended by Dr. Fletcher, Overtown.

Dennistoun is Glasgow

?? death for Frances - b c 1835
BAIRD FRANCES 59 1894 644/3 483 Dennistoun

Possible for Philips death? Would give year of birth as c1837.
Shotts is a small rural town in North Lanarkshire ½ way between Glasgow and Edinburgh

Surname Forename Age at death Year Ref RD Name Image View
BAIRD PHILIP 69 1907 655/1 8 Shotts (Middle District)

Still no Philip, although Frances (Fanny) is said to be married

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Greenfield, Glenlee Street, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Fanny Baird Head Married Female 56 1835 - Bellshill, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Philip Baird Son Unmarried Male 20 1871 Coal Miner Overtown, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Maggie Young Daughter Married Female 33 1858 - Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Young Grandson - Male 12 1879 Coal Miner Overtown, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Fanny Young Adopted Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Overtown, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Mary Young Adopted Daughter - Female 6 1885 Scholar Larkhall, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Anne Wilson Visitor Married Female 27 1864 - Dalry, Ayrshire, Scotland

??
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Weymess Row, 12, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frances Baird Head Married Female 46 1835 School Keeper Bellshill, Lanarkshire, Scotland
David Baird Son Unmarried Male 19 1862 Coal Miner Dalry, Ayrshire, Scotland
Annie Baird Daughter - Female 17 1864 School Keepers Assis Dalry, Ayrshire, Scotland
Frances Baird Daughter - Female 13 1868 Scholar Newmains, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Philp Baird Son - Male 10 1871 Scholar Overtown, Lanarkshire, Scotland

EDIT - FMP shows Annie Baird as aged 7 on the 1871 posted by Maddie

Ok Margaret, thank you so much for trying anyway :-)

The only place you can see the "original" of Scottish census is on the Scotland's People website. You might be lucky and get a place of birth rather than just Ireland if you're able to look at the original.

SP is a Pay to view site - £7.50 will buy you 30 credits - 6 credits will get you a look at the original census'. You would also be able to view his marriage certificate if you haven't already seen it. This should provide his parents names including his mother's maiden name and where they married which may help you track down Irish records for him.

Ok Margaret, thank you for trying anyway :-)

Unfortunately I can't find the family on later censuses, Stephen.

Thank you so much Margaret, that is a great help and you've found children I didn't know existed ! Thank you for your help :-)

Phillip Baird

in the 1871 Scotland Census
Record Image No Image
Text-only collection

Name: Phillip Baird
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Frances Baird
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 628
Registration district: Cambusnethan
Civil Parish: Cambusnethan
County: Lanarkshire
Occupation: Geral Labourer
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 106
LINE: 15
Roll: CSSCT1871_120
Household Members:
Name Age
Phillip Baird 36
Frances Baird 31
Mary Baird 13
Jane Baird 11
David Baird 9
Annie Baird 1
Frances Baird 3
John Baird 8 Mo

Philip Baird

in the 1861 Scotland Census
Record Image No Image
Text-only collection

Name: Philip Baird
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Frances Baird
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 587
Registration district: Dalry
Civil Parish: Dalry
County: Ayrshire
Address: Doggartland
Occupation: Iron Miner
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 119
LINE: 19
Roll: CSSCT1861_84
Household Members:
Name Age
Philip Baird 25
Frances Baird 26, born Bellshill, Lanarkshire
Margret Baird 3, born Camburnather, Lanarkshire
Jane Baird 1, born "

I am trying to find information on my Gt Gt Grandfather Philip Baird,(coal/iron miner) born circa 1836, possibly in Ireland. He married Frances Nisbet, in Carluke, Lanark, Scotland 20th Dec 1857. As far as I know they only had two children Margaret (My Gt Grandmother) born circa 1858, and Jane born 1860. I have found a census index for 1861 living in Ayrshire . I would be most grateful if anyone has access to census records in Scotland that may throw any light on the above.
Many thanks.