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Hello,
This might be an impossible task but I am trying to trace the parents of my 3x Great Grandfather:
John Chalmers
1803 (ish) Born in Denny, Stirlingshire
1824 Married Mary Anderson in Stewarton, Ayrshire
1841 census: Living Stewarton. Age shown as 35 ( Possibly rounded down?)
1851 Census: Living Stewarton. Age shown as 47 (Ancestry.co.uk have misread the census and show him as 20 years older but the handwritten version reads as 47)
1852 Dies in Stewarton. Buried in Laigh Kirk (now known as St Columba’s Parish Church) and the gravestone has the following inscription:
Erected by MARY ANDERSON, in memory of her husband JOHN CHALMERS, who died in 1852, and his son ROBERT, who died 4th March, 1852, aged 25 years, and 2 daughters who died in infancy, also their daughter JEANNIE who died 1867, aged 27 years. The above MARY ANDERSON who died 20th May, 1873, aged 79 years.
1871 Census: The Chalmers family in Stewarton have a later link with Denny, as John’s son (James Chalmers) has a 14 year old nephew staying with him (also called John Chalmers) who was also born in Denny
Any help in tracing the family back further would be much appreciated.
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John Chalmers
Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name John Chalmers
Gender Male
Christening Date 09 Mar 1800
Christening Place , DENNY, STIRLING, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 01 Mar 1800
Father's Name William Chalmers
Mother's Name Agnes Bowie
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Hi Abby,
I saw that one but thought it unlikely as none of his children were called William or Agnes. From what I have seen of Scottish genealogy, that would have been very unusual in those days?
The children that I have identified so far were called:
Robert (b 1827. d 1852)
Mary (b 1830)
Ann (b 1831)
James (b 1833. d 1901)
John Chalmers (b1834)
Jeanie (b 1841. d 1867)
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additional births to william and agnes
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
Name: John Chalme --------------------------------
Father: William Chalmers
Birth: 1 Mar 1800
Baptism: 9 Mar 1800 - , Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
Name: Jean Chalmers -------------------------
Father: William Chalmers
Birth: 25 Jul 1802
Baptism: 1 Aug 1802 - , Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
Name: Alexander Chalmers
Father: William Chalmers
Birth: 3 May 1804
Baptism: 27 May 1804 - , Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
Name: Thomas Chalmers
Father: William Chalmers
Birth: 24 Mar 1809
Baptism: 9 Apr 1809 - , Denny, Stirling, Scotland
Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
Name: Elisabeth Chalmers
Father: William Chalmers
Birth: 20 May 1811
Baptism: 10 Jun 1811 - , Denny, Stirling, Scotland
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I don't see his death in 1852.
There's this one in 1853:
CHALMERS
JOHN
[No age or other details given]
04/06/1853
616/
50 274
Stewarton
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Do you have Mary's parents? If some of the children were named for them, it might show if they followed a naming pattern.
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mary
Mary Anderson
Gender Female
Christening Date 30 Nov 1800
Christening Place , STEWARTON, AYR, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 23 Nov 1800
Father's Name Robert Anderson
Mother's Name Mary Brown
Citing this Record
"Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTK2-MBD : 2 January 2015), Mary Anderson, 23 Nov 1800; citing , reference 2:15H697Q; FHL microfilm 1,041,470.
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If the gravestone is correct, she was born c 1794.
Although there are several Mary Andersons born in Ayrshire 1790-1800, the one Maddie has posted is the only one in Stewarton.
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John & Mary's children (unless records of any are missing) were:
Robert 1826; Mary 1828; Anne 1831; James 1833; Janet 1836; Janet 1837; Jean 1840; John 1844.
All born in Stewarton.
John's birth in 1844 would seem to support his father's death having been in 1843, not 1842. (On the other hand, it's his baptism, not necessarily his birth.)
These births/baptisms don't all match with those you listed earlier, Clive. Where did you find them? The ones I've listed are from Scotlands People.
Or maybe some are births and some are baptisms?
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Hi Potty,
Mary Anderson's parents were Robert Anderson and Mary Brown.
That ties in with the first born daughter. It could be that there was an earlier son who died or else Johns father was a Robert (following the Scottish naming convention).
ArgyllGran - I think that's him dying in 1853. The 1852 comes from a faded headstone so could be misread.
Thanks Maddie - again, it seems unusual that his children's names are not any of his siblings or parents names which makes me doubt that this is the right John. I suppose he could have fallen out with his family and run away to Stewarton but there do seem to be later links to Denny so not sure
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his children do have anderson parents names and names john and jean, same as siblings to william posted above but just could be coincidence
addie
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The third son would be called John under the Scottish naming tradition anyway so the only linking name is Jean. William, Agnes, Thomas, Alexander and Elizabeth are all ignored.
The fact that the oldest daughter is named after the Mothers mother and the third son is named after the father suggests they were at least partly following convention but they could just have been randomly choosing names.
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