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Thought it sounded familiar -

Peter's earlier thread on Alonzo:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1364856

Well, Peter, it looks as if the Norfolk family we've been looking at is not the family of your great grandfather, as his father's name was John.


For helpers' info, the 1901 census:

James Smith
in the 1901 England Census
Name: James Smith
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary J Smith
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Eckington
Ecclesiastical parish: Eckington St Peter and St Paul
Town: Eckington
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Eckington
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3258
Folio: 41
Page Number: 18
Household schedule number: 90
Household Members:
Name Age
James Smith 32
Mary J Smith 38
George Smith 9
May Smith 7
Alonza Smith 3
Herbt A Smith 1

PM from Peter:

Hi
What I do have on my grate grandfather James Smith is
Marriage certificate 1891 age 23 fathers name John Smith labourer
1901 census living in Eckington Derbyshire age 32 born London
1911 census living in Eckington Derbyshire age 41 born London
RAlonzo's parents on the the 1939 Register........

James Smith on the 1939 Register

Smith Household (5 People) 165 High Street , Chesterfield R.D., Derbyshire, England

James Smith 12 Aug 1867 Male Coal Miner (Stallman) Retired Married 273 1
Mary J Smith 19 Nov 1872 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 273 2
Don't know if this will be any help I have been research James for few years know and I am not get any were so any help would be appreciated .
Many thanks
Peter

Maybe their mother's death, in childbirth ??

Deaths Sep 1868 (>99%)
Smith Susannah 25 St. Geo. East 1c 332

County Norfolk
Place Reedham
Church name St John the Baptist
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 714
Baptism date 5 Sep 1869
Person forename James Henry
Person sex M
Person abode London
Father forename James Kemp
Father surname BROWN SMITH
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Susannah

Chris :)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

And young Susannah -

SMITH, SUSAN mms LUCK
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 150

the child James:

SMITH, JAMES HENRY mms LUCK
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in ST GEORGE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D

Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)

Luck Susannah St Geo Han Sq 1a 558
Smith James Henry Brown St Geo Han Sq 1a 558

He's a widower in 1871, which would be why the children were with grandparents:

James Henry Brown Smith
in the 1871 England Census

Name: James Henry Brown Smith
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: St Walsham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road First
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 168
Piece: 650
Folio: 84
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
William Parker 71
Maria Parker 55
James Henry Brown Smith 24 - widower
Elizabeth Diment 70

SMITH, JAMES HENRY -
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in BLOFIELD UNION Volume 13 Page 25

Hannah seems to have had a son before marrying James, so maybe they are his children:

James H B Smith
in the 1861 England Census

Name: James H B Smith
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: 1847
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Rushmer
Mother's name: Hannah Rushmer
Gender: Male
Where born: South Walsham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Reedham
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Blofield
Sub-registration district: South Walsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 167
Piece: 1227
Folio: 23
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
James Rushmer 37
Hannah Rushmer 37
James H B Smith 14 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Arthur S Rushmer 9
Hannah B Rushmer 7
Julia Rushmer 4
Georgena Rushmer 3
Charles Rushmer 6/12
John Smith 67

County Norfolk
Place Reedham
Church name St John the Baptist
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 67
Marriage date 28 Sep 1851
Groom forename James
Groom surname RUSHMER
Groom age full age
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode Reedham
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Hannah
Bride surname SMITH
Bride age full age
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Reedham
Groom father forename William
Groom father surname RUSHMER
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename John
Bride father surname SMITH
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness William BARNES
Witness Henry RUSHMER
Register note Married by Banns by Fred Leathes, Rector. All signed x except witness 1. Rectors' note in margin 'Copy sent to Registrar, FL'.


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Reedham
Church name St John the Baptist
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 449
Baptism date 23 May 1858
Birth date 15 Apr 1858
Person forename Georgina
Person sex F
Father forename James
Father surname RUSHMER
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Harriet
Mother surname SMITH
Register note Baptism by Fred leathes, Rector.

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Chris :)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above link)

Peter, you asked how it would help to know the birth record.

If we know that, we can look it up on the GRO website which gives the mother's maiden name - as on the birth I've posted above. Then we could perhaps find the parents' marriage.

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Hi
No how would this help

The image of the 1871 says the "grand-children" were born in London.

Have you found any gro birth records for Susannah

Hi All
Can any one tell me how this works .
1871 census.
Name. Relation. Age. Birth Year. Birth place
James Rushmer Head. 47. 1824. Norfolk
Hannah. ". Wife. 47. 1824. "
Arthur. ". Son. 19. 1852. "
Georgina ". Daughter 12. 1859. "
Charles. ". Son. 10. 1861. "
Alonzo. ". Son. 7. 1864. "
Susannah. ". Daughter. 4. 1867. "
London
Susanah Smith. Granddaughter 4. 1867. Middlesex

James. Smith. Grandson. 2. 1869. ""
John. Smith. Father-in-law. 77 1794 Norfolk

The reson I ask is James Smith may be my grate grandfather and my grandfather was Alonzo Smith, and I know family's some times call their children after old relations.
I can't work out how Susanah and James are the grand children I under stand that Hannah must have been a Smith.