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Maddie I think you could be right that does appear to be Jane has remarried.

I have found 4 of the Waller children in GRO with mothers maiden name as Ross - Edward, Julia, Frederick and Sarah.

I agree it is odd the article states 3 children, when at the time they only had 2.

So Does Charles die before this re-marriage and not in 1864

just thinking aloud, the charles in the newsparer article had a wife and 3 childre. Wife could not have been charlotte if she died 1940. Who were the 3 children ???

i think this is the jane ross who married charles waller in 1843


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Village, Little Easton, Dunmow, Essex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Caston Head Married Male 23 1838 Farm Labourer Little Easton, Essex, England
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Jane Caston Wife Married Female 36 1825 - Great Easton, Essex, England
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Edward Waller Son In Law Unmarried Male 18 1843 Farm Labourer Great Easton, Essex, England
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Julia Waller Daughter In Law - Female 13 1848 Late Servant Little Easton, Essex, England
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Frederick Waller Son In Law - Male 10 1851 Work On Farm Dunmow, Essex, England
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Sarah Waller Daughter In Law - Female 10 1851 Scholar Dunmow, Essex, England
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Ann Waller Daughter In Law - Female 8 1853 Scholar Little Easton, Essex, England
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Eliza Caston Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Little Easton, Essex, England
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Arthur Caston Son - Male 0 1861 - Dunmow, Essex, England
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Henry Caston Son - Male 0 1861 - Dunmow, Essex, England

in law can mean step son

Charles Weller that marries Hannah Collin is not him. I have just checked the parish register for Little Easton and this Charles is shown as single and a blacksmith with his father as Zachariah.

The Charles that marries Jane Ross in Great Easton is described as a widower, bricklayer with his father as John also a bricklayer.

Can anybody explain the Hockley connection?

i wonder if he married again or if it is a different one


First name(s) CHARLES
Last name WALLER
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1840
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ CHARLES WALLER married
Hannah Collin
District Dunmow
District number -
County Essex
Country England
Volume 12
Page 131

Stone Hall, Little Canfield, Dunmow, Essex, England

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First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Charles Waller Male 27 1814 Essex, England -- labourer
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Hannah Waller Female 39 1802 Essex, England
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Henry Collins Male 15 1826 Essex, England
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Elizabeth Bacon Female 70 1771 Essex, England

(did post below earlier, if it related)

Chris :)

National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Charlotte
Last name Waller
Birth year 1814
Death year 1840
Age 26
Burial year 1840
Burial day 5
Burial month 1
Place Little Easton
Church description ST MARY THE VIRGIN
Church denomination ANGLICAN


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05 October 1849 - Chelmsford Chronicle - Chelmsford, Essex, England

Dunmow Petty Session, Oct. 1.
Charles Waller, bricklayer, was committed for month for having absconded and left his wife and three children chargeable to the parish of Little Easton. Mr G. Cockerell, the overseer said defendant was capable of earning from 12s. to 15s. per week at his trade.


Marriages Sep 1843 (>99%)
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CASS John Dunmow 12 131
GROUT Lydia Dunmow 12 131
ROSS Jane Dunmow 12 131
WALLER Charles Dunmow 12 131

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WALLER, JULIA (ROSS)
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in DUNMOW UNION Volume 12 Page 72


WALLER, EDWARD CHARLES (ROSS)
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in DUNMOW UNION Volume 12 Page 92


Death
GROUT, JAMES 27
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in DUNMOW UNION Volume 12 Page 72

So in 1841 there is a Charles Waller living with his parents in Little Easton as posted by Maddie at 14:48 and another one living with the Ross family in Great Easton as posted by Maddie at 16:02.

It looks as though the Charles living with the Ross family marries one of the daughters.

This could be the same Charles or there could be 2 Charles.

So Charlotte died about 6-9 months after the birth of Eleanor.

No I do not have a birth cert for Eleanor, just the GRO details.

????
Charlotte
Last name Waller
Birth year 1814
Death year 1840
Age 26
Burial year 1840
Burial day 5
Burial month 1
Place Little Easton
Church description ST MARY THE VIRGIN
Church denomination ANGLICAN
County Essex
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain


Charles
Last name Waller
Birth year 1814
Death year 1864
Age 50
Burial year 1864
Burial day 10
Burial month 4
Place Broxted
Church description ST MARY THE VIRGIN
Church denomination ANGLICAN
County Essex
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Workhouse Yard, Great Easton, Dunmow, Essex, England

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First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
John Ross Male 28 1813 Essex, England
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Harriott Ross Female 30 1811 Essex, England
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Eliza Ross Female 6 1835 Essex, England
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Mary Ross Female 2 1839 Essex, England
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Jane Ross Ross Female 18 1823 Essex, England
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Charles Waller Male 29 1812 Essex, England

edit ------- he was a bricklayer

perhaps ellinor was left with her grandparents after her mother died

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Charlotte Everett

in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 No Image

Name: Charlotte Everett*************
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 1832
Marriage Place: Great Easton, Essex, England
Spouse: James Grout**************
FHL Film Number: 990406
Reference ID: 2:3CVWBH3

Perhaps the child was base born and went to live with the father. Do you have the birth cert for Eleanor Waller?

Thanks Chris they are 2 other children related to the 1841 census family.

That appears to be Eleanor and Charles in 1841.

It was finding Eleanor in this 1841 census that first started me on trying to trace her. When first looking it is easy to assume that she is the daughter of John and Susannah but there is too much of a gap between Eleanor and their other children and Susannah would be about 62.

So I wanted to try and find whose child she is. The parish records suggest Charles and Charlotte but it is the GRO record that is confusing it by having the mothers maiden name as Hockley.

Yes it could be 2 separate Eleanors but where is the other GRO registration and where is the other Eleanor in 1841.


John

Baptism
County Essex
Place Little Easton
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Parish Register
Baptism date 26 Nov 1809
Birth date 23 Oct 1809
Person forename John
Person sex M
Father forename Zacchary
Father surname WALLER
Mother forename Susan


Baptism
County Essex
Place Little Easton
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Parish Register
Baptism date 4 Aug 1811
Birth date 13 Jul 1811
Person forename Keziah
Person sex F
Father forename John
Father surname WALLER
Mother forename Susanna

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Chris :)

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(from above)


Deaths Dec 1895 (>99%)
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WALLER Keziah 85 Dunmow 4a 397


National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Charlotte
Last name Waller
Birth year 1814
Death year 1840
Age 26
Burial year 1840
Burial day 5
Burial month 1
Place Little Easton
Church description ST MARY THE VIRGIN
Church denomination ANGLICAN


Edits

05 October 1849 - Chelmsford Chronicle - Chelmsford, Essex, England

Dunmow Petty Session, Oct. 1.
Charles Waller, bricklayer, was committed for month for having absconded and left his wife and three children chargeable to the parish of Little Easton. Mr G. Cockerell, the overseer said defendant was capable of earning from 12s. to 15s. per week at his trade.


Marriages Sep 1843 (>99%)
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CASS John Dunmow 12 131
GROUT Lydia Dunmow 12 131
ROSS Jane Dunmow 12 131
WALLER Charles Dunmow 12 131

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WALLER, JULIA (ROSS)
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in DUNMOW UNION Volume 12 Page 72


WALLER, EDWARD CHARLES (ROSS)
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in DUNMOW UNION Volume 12 Page 92

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1841
Clerks Cottage, Little Easton, Dunmow, Essex, England

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First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
John Waller Male 60 1781 Essex, England
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Susannah Waller Female 60 1781 Essex, England
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John Waller Male 35 1806 Essex, England
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Keziah Waller Female 25 1816 Essex, England
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Charles Waller Male 20 1821 Essex, England
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Edward Waller Male 15 1826 Essex, England
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Eleanor Waller Female 2 1839 Essex, England

Have you found them on the 1841 census

It could be it's two different family's

Which family are you looking for

I have found in GRO that Eleanor Waller was registered in Dunmow in 1/4 June 1839 with the mothers maiden name as Hockley. I can find no other children born to Waller and Hockley.

In Essex Archives I have managed to find a baptism in Little Easton 30 June 1839 Ellenor Waller parents Charles and Charlotte Waller abode Little Easton father a bricklayer.

In Essex Archives I have found a marriage trace for a Charles Waller to a Charlotte Grout in Little Easton on 2 November 1838 Charles Waller, full age, single, bricklayer, abode Little Easton, father John a bricklayer Charlotte Grout, full age, widow, abode Great Easton, father Thomas Everett a labourer. Both made a mark, witnesses William Taylor? And Kezia Waller? both made a mark.

Both entries found in Little Easton parish register seem to tie into Eleanor who was registered in June 1839 if it was not for the mothers maiden name being recorded as Hockley.

Does anybody have any ideas?

Thanks

John