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This is the family, Yes Enoch lived in Lascar Lane Sheffield. Herbert being a nephew but Florence and Ethel daughters of Enoch always referred to him as being their brother, infact their cousin. So it wasn't Herbert who went into a home, proof of it above in post. Ethel's daughter said her mother told her he was in a home.. Joseph Hodges eldest brother of Enoch was father of Herbert. He also had a Florence and Ethel as daughters. Enoch also had daughters Florence and Ethel which causes some confusion. More confusion was that Enoch Hodges also listed as Hodgett, on his first marriage,to Alice Burns, daug Florence also listed at birth as Hodgett and her marriage certificate was stated both Hodgett and Hodges, but her younger sister was Ethel Hodges. Thank you it has certainly cleared up that mystery for me. Perhaps it was the stepson of Enoch Hodges who was in a mental home, just don't know.

All sorted in my head now.

I think!! :-D

These are the Hodges/Fawcett births
1889 - Neuber
1891 - Joseph - age given, not crossed out on 1911 but X in children who have died) column
1894 - Ernest - no age given, crossed out and X in died column
1895 - William (GRO has Thomas William) AND
1895 - George - no age given, both on same line (Twins) XX in died column
1896 - Florence
1898 - Ethel
1901 - Herbert

and the Hodges/Martin births
1903 - Robert
1905 - Richard
1906 - Mary Ann
1909 - James

The enumerator has written in red on the 1911 census form by Catherine's name - Married ? 12/8/4. So has included the above births - 12 and deaths 4 all to that marriage. He was no doubt a bit confused.

Joseph had written 12/7/4 by his own name and this has been crossed through in red - so he couldn't add up, but was confused enough to count all children born to both marriages

and post 1911 census for Hodges/Martin
1911 - Enoch
1914 - Rita Adela
1917 - Joseph H

PH -
I was wondering - as such a mess was made of the 1911 census in Durham, whether Dad had counted Herbert in as well as the dead children by mistake? Could young Herbert have been with relatives, maybe to give Catherine a break as there is another child born Q3 Auckland with Hodges/mmn Martin - Enoch!

This seems to be the probate for the Herbert who has siblings Florence, Ethel and Neuber......


Herbert Hodges in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Herbert Hodges
Death Date: 30 Jun 1956
Death Place: Doncaster
Probate Date: 9 Jul 1957
Registry: Wakefield

Of 3 First-Square, Stainforth near Doncaster....Died at Kirton-Lane, Stainforth.

To Neuber Hodges miner....Florence Gill (Wife of John Thomas Gill) and Ethel Barrass widow.

Effects: £405 1s 8d

Marriages Jun 1916 (>99%)
Gill John T Hodges Auckland 10a 391
Hodges Florence Gill Auckland 10a 391

Marriages Mar 1921 (>99%)
Barrass Thomas Hodges Auckland 10a 526
Hodges Ethel Barrass Auckland 10a 526




HODGES, FLORENCE MMN FAWCETT
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 235


HODGES, ETHEL FAWCETT Order
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 246


HODGES, NEUBER FAWCETT Order
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in PONTEFRACT Volume 09C Page 129


Which ties in with the 1911 census that GreyGhost posted.......

So if this is your Herbert on the 1911 census.......

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1 Parkes St Castleford, Castleford, Yorkshire, England

Enoch Hodges Head Married Male Miner Hewer 36 1875 Yorkshire Castleford
Alice Hodges Wife Married Female - 34 1877 Yorkshire Castleford
Florence Hodges Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Yorkshire Castleford
Herbert Hodges Nephew - Male - 9 1902 Croak Durham

Who is the Herbert on the 1911 census that GreyGhost posted?

Joseph's second marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
HODGES Joseph Auckland 10a 385
MARTIN Catherine Auckland 10a 385 <<<<<<
Postgate Albert Auckland 10a 385 <<<<<<
Scarr Mary Jane Auckland 10a 385

An Albert and Mary Jane Postgate are on the 1911 in Auckland

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Holmes Crook, Crook and Billy Row, Durham, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Joseph Hodges Head Married Male Miner Hewer 44 1867 Staffordshire
Newber Hodges Son Single Male Miner Hewer 21 1890 Yorks Castleford
Joseph Hodges Son Single Male - 24 1887 Castleford
Florance Hodges - Single Female - 16 1895 Sunniside
Ethel Hodges - - Female - 13 1898 Crook
Herbert Hodges Son - Male - 10 1901 Crook
Robert Hodges Son - Male - 8 1903 Crook
Richard Hodges Son - Male - 6 1905 Crook
Mary Ann Hodges Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Crook
James Hodges Son - Male - 2 1909 Crook
Catherine Hodges Wife Married Female - 38 1873 Crook

Original shows a mess had been made of completing the form.

Joseph has said he's married but written in under occupation is Sarah Hodges Dead Wife Born in Yorkshire

Catherine his present wife Born in Crook written in on form

Written in and then crossed through are
Ernest Hodges son no age
and on the same line by the looks of it William and George sonS again no age. They come after Joseph and before Florence.

Young Joseph might be 24 or 14 (although looking at the GRO site he might have been born 1891!!)

EDIT And - if Herbert is on the 1911 in Castleford too ...........

James and Sarah in 1891 with son Neuber

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Drivers Row, Castleford, Pontefract, Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Hodges Head Married Male 23 1868 Coal Miner Staffordshire, England
Sarah Hodges Wife Married Female 20 1871 - Whitwood, Yorkshire, England
Neuber Hodges Son - Male 1 1890 - Castleford, Yorkshire, England

--------------------------------------
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HODGES, NEUBER FAWCETT Order
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in PONTEFRACT Volume 09C Page 129

The Herbert Hodges in the 1939 register that was posted by Choccy gives his birth as 12th May 1901 which would be right for the birth in the June qtr. of 1901 in Auckland.

Kath. x

Herbert's birth - his birth certificate would give DOB which would help to track him on the 1939 register if still alive -

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HODGES, HERBERT FAWCETT Order
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 291

His Mother's death
HODGES, SARAH 30 Order
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 139
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page


Possible marriage of his parents - no other Hodges/Fawcett showing
Marriages Mar 1889 (>99%)
Bolton James Pontefract 9c 113
Fawcett Sarah Pontefract 9c 113 <<<<<<<
HODGES Joseph Pontefract 9c 113 <<<<<<<
Raby Emma Pontefract 9c 113

(1901 census has a James and Emma Bolton in Castleford, Pontefract with eldest child aged 11. 1911 census confirms married 22 years and all family except James a Coal Miner born Castleford)

If you buy the death certificate it should tell you where he died.

Kath. x

1911 census

1 Parkes St Castleford, Castleford, Yorkshire, England


Enoch Hodges Head Married Male Miner Hewer 36 1875 Yorkshire Castleford

Alice Hodges Wife Married Female - 34 1877 Yorkshire Castleford

Florence Hodges Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Yorkshire Castleford

Herbert Hodges Nephew - Male - 9 1902 Croak Durham



?? maybe Enoch Hodges in 1939


1939 Register

Hodges Household (1 Person)

3 Lescar Lane , Sheffield C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England


E Hodges 31 Oct 1874 Male Miner Unemployed Widowed 111 1



England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Enoch Hodges

Birth Date: abt 1875

Date of Registration: Dec 1942

Age at Death: 67

Registration district: Sheffield

Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding

Volume: 9c
Page: 481

Have you found the grandad on the 1939 register .
As Herbert went with him is it possible he could still be lliving with the family in 1939

??

1939 Register




Sennett Household (4 People)

11 Alexina Road , Thorne R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England


>>>>>Herbert Hodges 12 May 1901 Male Coal Hewer Single 165 4
John Sennett 01 Sep 1874 Male Coal Hewer Retired Married 165 1
Dorothy Sennett 02 Feb 1868 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 165 2
James O'Donnell 14 Mar 1897 Male Coal Hewer Single 165 3

Looking at the deaths, I feel rather confused because since posting I found that Herbert Hodges was born in 1901 in Aukland Durham, his mother dying 10 days after his birth, His mother was Fawsett. He was the son of Grandads brother. In 1911 I found him living with my Grandparents in Castleford, states he was a nephew age 9. my mother being 6 months old, she had a sister born 1913 and their mother Alice Hodges died in 1915 so Grandad moved to Sheffield and believe Herbert went with them. Always remember Mum saying she visited Herbert who lived in a home, my Aunt confirmed that she also visited him. Seeing the death in 1956 District Don Valley, Sheffield has the river Don going through it. but growing up I never remember my Mum visiting Herbert or going to his funeral, her and her sister always referred to him as being a brother. The Don death in 1955 seems the one but can't believe my Mum didn't know of it, I would have been 15 at the time. Must now see if there are any homes in the Don Valley to find if there are any records for him. Must admit I didn't work out the age of the Herbert Hodges 1944 death in Manchester.

there is this Herbert born 1901

Herbert Hodges
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Collections from
Great Britain
Country
England
County
Yorkshire
Year
1956
Birth Year
1901
Age
55
Event Quarter
3
District
Don Valley

If this is the death you refer to, then born c1884

Name: Herbert Hodges
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Dec 1944
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 68

Andy

Please can someone look on the 1939 registers for a Herbert Hodges who I believe could have been in a mental home in Manchester. He was born 1901 and I found one died in 1944 Manchester. I was always given to understand he was my mothers brother, only to find him being her cousin.. Any information would be grateful