Yes Arthur is James Winterbotham's son & his 1 st Wife Jane Brewin. I do have this information I posted the Marriage details today as I was looking for Clara's parents names & received the certificate today I previously ( 3rd May) sort help the title was Clara Gretton born 1853 Leicestershire which I think is all on page 10 onwards with all of the help I received from all of you wonderful people I wasn't sure if I attached the information received today to those pages or put a new message on here.
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you have aready asked about the family and been given loads of records
its best not start another thread as look ups are being duplicated
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1366086?page=3
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This is the parents of the Arthur with mmn Pacey and he did died.
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Sneinton Road, Sneinton, Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Theophilus Winterbotham Head - Male 39 1832 - Nottinghamshire, England Mary A Winterbotham Wife - Female 37 1834 - Nottinghamshire, England John T Winterbotham Son - Male 14 1857 - Nottinghamshire, England William S Winterbotham Son - Male 13 1858 - Nottinghamshire, England Fred Winterbotham Son - Male 11 1860 - Nottinghamshire, England Harry Winterbotham Son - Male 6 1865 - Nottinghamshire, England James H Winterbotham Son - Male 1 1870 - Nottinghamshire, England
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:1891 census
Clara Winterbottom [Helena R should read Clara E Winterbottom] Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Hathern, Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: Radford Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Nottingham County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address:4 Shipstone Street
Occupation:grocer
Condition as to marriage:married
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Nottingham ED, institution, or vessel: 28 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2689 Folio: 100 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Clara Winterbottom 38 Louis Winterbottom 16 occ dyers labourer -lace George Winterbottom 13 Helena R Winterbottom 1 WINTERBOTHAM, CLARA EMMA SPYBY GRETTON Order GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 291
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I think that Arthur may have died?
Deaths Dec 1867 (>99%) Winterbotham Arthur 0 Radford 7b 113
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well the son Lewis isnt registered so wonder if that is the right Arthur
1881 census Name: Clara Winterbotham Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: James Winterbotham Gender: Female Where born: Hathern, Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: Basford County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address: 83 North Gate Marital Status: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Lace Mender Small Ware Seller Registration district: Basford ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3330 Folio: 8 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age James Winterbotham 39 Clara Winterbotham 28 Arthur Winterbotham 15 Lewis Winterbotham 6 George Winterbotham 3
Here is George
WINTERBOTHAM, GEORGE GRETTON Order GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in BASFORD Volume 07B Page 174 Think that tree on ancestry has just picked up the name an assumed its the right family
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This is the only baptism I can see for a Clara Gretton born Hathern (but a bit later than you give):-
First name(s) Clara Lovett Last name Gretton Birth year 1855 Baptism year 1855 Baptism date 18 Mar 1855 Baptism place Hathern Denomination Anglican County Leicestershire Country England Father's first name(s) Thomas Mother's first name(s) Maria Archive Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland Archive reference DE731/3 Page 187 Record set Leicestershire Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Births & baptisms Collections from Great Britain
Kath. x
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I don't know how accurate the tree is that I took this info from is? But it states that this is the son of Clara. So she may have been married previously although not stated on her marriage to James?
WINTERBOTHAM, ARTHUR Mother Maiden Name:PACEY GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in RADFORD Volume 07B Page 192 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Arthur' birth does seem to fit with this census info
1881 Census
Arthur Winterbotham
Age:15
Estimated birth year:abt 1866
Relationship to Head:Son
Father:James Winterbotham Mother:Clara Winterbotham
Where born:Basford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish:Basford
County/Island:Nottinghamshire
Street address:83 North Gate
Occupation:Hose Maker Apprentice
Registration district:Basford
ED, institution, or vessel:10 Piece:3330 Folio:8 Page Number:10
James Winterbotham 39 Clara Winterbotham 28 Arthur Winterbotham 15 Lewis Winterbotham 6 George Winterbotham 3
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I have today received the Marriage Certificate for Clara Gretton to James Winterbotham. 16th January 1870 he is a Widower aged 26 years she is a 21 year old Spinster (Born 1849? I have her born 1852 at Hathern Leics ) Witness's Frederick Lowe & Agnes Howes It is such a disappointment after waiting 22 days for it to arrive as it does not have a fathers name for Clara Gretton, it has James's father as John Winterbotham Cabinet maker. Ellen
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