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William Martin c1831 married Ann Elizabeth White 8th Aug 1852 St Pancras.
On the 1852 marriage His father is Thomas Martin Deceased.
Her father is Thomas White a shoemaker.
William's occupation is Painter.
Address for both is Brill Terrace.
Witnesses are Thomas Martin and Elizabeth Martin.
Now I can find two families on the 1851
This one
1851
Name: Thomas Martin
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Martin
Gender: Male
Where born: Highgate, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
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Town: Camden Town
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 19 Bayham St Pancras Marylebone.
Occupation: HOUSE PAINTER
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Camden Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 166
Piece: 1497
Folio: 56
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Martin 39 c1812 Highgate Middx House Painter
Sarah Martin 46 c1805 Bedfordshire
Elizabeth Martin 5 1846 Hamstead Middx
Ann Williamson 71 MIL 1780 Huntingdonshire, England
Ref. HO 107 1497
and this one
Name: Sarah Martin
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingston, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Hampstead
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 28 New End
Occupation:
Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Piece: 1492
Folio: 138
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Martin 48 1803 WIDOW Kingston Middx (it reads Kingbury)
William Martin 22 1829 Hendon, Middlesex Labourer**
Hezekiah Martin 19 1832 Kinsbury, Middlesex
William Lacey 5 granson 1846 Hampstead, Middlesex
Thomas Lacey 3 " 1848 Hampstead, Middlesex
I can't find either on the 1841.
I need your help please??????
William Martin c1831 is my 2 X Gt Grandfather.
His Son William Martin c1857 Lambeth Surrey my Gt Grandfather married Sarah Ann Nevill
Mel
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Possibly the second family in 1841.....
Name: Sarah Martin
Titles and Terms:
Titles and Terms: NULL
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Event Place: Kingsbury, Middlesex, England
Residence Note: Hyde
Gender: Female
Age: 35-39
Age (Original): 35
Occupation: Null
Relationship to Head of Household:
Institution:
Birth Date:
Birth Year (Estimated): 1802-1806
Birthplace: Middlesex
Ship Name:
Schedule Type:
Registration District: Hendon
Book Number: 8
Sub-District:
Parish: Kingsbury
County: Middlesex
Page:
Page Number: 6
Line Number: 8
Registration Number: HO107
Piece/Folio: 657/18
Affiliate Record Type: Institution
GS Film Number:
Digital Folder Number: 101720626
Image Number: 00310
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Dawson M 40-44
Elizhbeth Dawson F 13 Middlesex
George Dawson M 4 Middlesex
Sarah Martin F 35-39 Middlesex
Betsey Martin F 7 Middlesex
Thomas Martin M 13 Middlesex
Esckar Martin M 9 Middlesex
John Martin M 3 Middlesex
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Just for reference - this would be them in 1861:
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
28, New End, Hampstead, London & Middlesex, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Martin Head Married Male 30 1831 Plumbery Labourer London, Middlesex, England
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Ann Elizabeth Martin Wife Married Female 27 1834 Boot Binder Plumstead, Middlesex, England
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Fanny Ann Martin Daughter - Female 5 1856 Scholar Plumstead, Middlesex, England
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William John Martin Son - Male 3 1858 Scholar Plumstead, Middlesex, England
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Thanks Christina and Dea.
Dea Fanny Ann is actually Frances Ann so that is my family but I am looking for his father. Interesting address though as thats the same as one of the census I put up so I think I will go with that one.
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Christina definitely has the correct family in 1841 - It ties up with the details I have found:
'Esckar' on the image would be 'Hesekiah' :
Name: Hezekiah Martin
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Jun 1832
Baptism Place: Kingsbury Holy Innocents, Brent, England
Father: Thomas Martin
Mother: Sarah Martin
Register Type: Parish Registers
I believe this is the parents' marriage:
Name Sarah Millard
Gender Female
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 17 Aug 1824
Marriage Place Holy Innocents, Kingsbury Brent, England
Spouse Thomas Martin
Register Type Parish Register
Household Members
Name Age
Thomas Martin
Sarah Millard
witn.: William Millard + Ann Millard
There was another marriage at the same time which I suspect is for a brother of Thomas??
Name: Abednego Martin
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 17 Aug 1824
Marriage Place: Holy Innocents, Kingsbury, Brent, England
Spouse: Ann Mead
Register Type: Parish Register
witn.: Henry Burr + Sarah Martin
This is Sarah on 1861
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hitchmans Buildings, 10, Murray Row, Hampstead, London & Middlesex, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Sarah Martin Head Widow Female 58 1803 Laundress Kingsbury, Middlesex, England
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Elizabeth Martin Daughter Unmarried Female 27 1834 Shoe Binder Kingsbury, Middlesex, England
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John Martin Son Unmarried Male 23 1838 Shoe Maker Hendon, Middlesex, England
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Thomas Lucy Grandson - Male 13 1848 Scholar Hampstead, Middlesex, England
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Windsor William Nursechild - Male 0 1861 - Hendon, Middlesex, England
John appears on 1861 with Sarah + family as son.........
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MARTIN, JOHN MILLER Order
GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in HENDON Volume 03 Page 89
I think that mmn 'MILLER' is really 'MILLARD' ??
These appear to be the 'grand children from the 1861:
LACY, THOMAS JAMES MARTIN Order
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03 Page 149
LACY, WILLIAM MARTIN Order
GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03 Page 158
This looks like the marriage so it seems that Thomas & Sarah also had a daughter 'Frances' :
Marriages Dec 1844 (>99%)
AMEY George Lambeth 4 348 Scan available - click to view
Ballinger Thomas Lambeth 4 348 Scan available - click to view
JACOBS Sarah Lambeth 4 348 Scan available - click to view
**LACY Joseph Voller Lambeth 4 348 Scan available - click to view
**MARTIN Frances Lambeth 4 348 Scan available - click to view
PAYNE Isaac Lambeth 4 348 Scan available - click to view
SCOTT Eleanor Hosking Scott Lambeth 4 348 Scan available - click to view
SMITH Hannah Eliza Lambeth 4 348 Scan available - click to view
Name: Thomas James Lacy
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Aug 1848
Baptism Place: Hampstead St John, Camden, England
Father: Joseph Bonner Lacy - Shoe maker
Mother: Frances Lacy
Register Type: Parish Registers
b. 3rd Nov. '47
also William b. 8th Dec. 45.
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I think this may be Ann Elizabeth's family in 1841 but she appears to be a little older than she later claimed ?
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
New End, St John Hampstead, Edmonton, Middlesex, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas White Male 46 1795 Middlesex, England - shoe maker
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Margaret White Female 40 1801 Middlesex, England
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Thomas White Male 14 1827 Middlesex, England
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Eliza White Female 13 1828 Middlesex, England
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Ann White Female 10 1831 Middlesex, England
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other people at the same address (probably not connected?) :
Henry Nokes Male 20 1821 Middlesex, England
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Ann Nokes Female 20 1821 Middlesex, England
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James Cooper Male 30 1811 Middlesex, England
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Maria Cooper Female - - Middlesex, England
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William Cooper Male 3 1838 Middlesex, England
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James Cooper Male 0 1841 Middlesex, England
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Sarah Cooper Female 0 1841 Middlesex, England
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William Pancutt Male 25 1816 Middlesex, England
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Charlotte Pancutt Female 19 1822 Middlesex, England
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Mary Crane Female 60 1781 Middlesex, England
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Mary Crane Female 40 1801 Middlesex, England
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Census details
Thomas was a widower by 1851 but living at New End so looks promising?
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Newend, Saint John, Hampstead, London & Middlesex, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas White - Widower Male 55 1796 Shoe Maker Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England
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is this him as pob in 1861 census is Hendon
William Martin
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-191
Name: William Martin
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Jan 1829
Baptism Place: Hendon St Mary, Barnet, England
Father: Thomas Martin ---- labourer
Mother: Sarah Martin
Register Type: Parish Registers
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Just bumping up for Mel.
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