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The above couple came from Gloucestershire
They has
Sylvia 1925
Kathleen 1928
Leonard 1930
Audrey 1931
Margaret 1933
Sheila 1935
It is believed the couple also had twin boys who died.
How do I find out if this was true? Do not know their names
Thankyou
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If the twins lived, there will be public records. If they were stilllborn there won't, as there is a closed register for stillbirths
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How do I look for children if I only know the parent’s names?
Thankyou
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1939
Price Household (8 People)
Nupand Unpend , Gloucester R.D., Gloucestershire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Percy Price 10 Mar 1891 Male General Farm Labourer Married 83 1
Mary Ellen Price 04 Feb 1897 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 83 2
Seyna C Vizor (Price) 18 Feb 1925 Female Woollen Twister Single 83 3
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Seyna is Sylvia mistranscribed, married name Vizor - and deceased, or her details would not be open
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Thankyou...the twins must have died at birth then
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Marriages Jun 1949 (>99%)
Price Sylvia C Vizor Cirencester 7b 820A
Vizor Albert H Price Cirencester 7b 820A
Look at freebmd, and put in the surnames of the parents in the appropriate boxes.
I've just done that, and only the names you list are recorded
Name: Percy Price
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 32
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1891
Marriage Date: 13 Oct 1923
Marriage Place: Whiteshill, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Walter Charles Price
Spouse: Mary Ellen Asher........Age 26
Spouse's father: John Asher
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1891
Name: Percy Price
Gender: Male
Age: 1/12
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1891
Father: Walter Charles Price
Mother: Caroline Price
Birth Place: Eastington, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Eastington
Ecclesiastical parish: Eastington
Residence Place: Nashend, Eastington, Gloucestershire, England
Registration district: Wheatenhurst
Sub registration district: Frampton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2020
Folio: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Charles Price 33
Caroline Price 28
William J Price 8
Beatrice Price 5
Kate Price 4
Walter C Price 2
Percy Price 1/12
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Marriage of Percy's parents
PRICE Walter Charles BUTLIN Caroline Stroud Stroud Register Office 1885 RR/26 61
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Vizor Sylvia Caroline 1925 1973 1973 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Swindon, Wiltshire, England
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Thank you again Erika
Have the family going back...just trying to fill in some blanks!!
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This looks like another child:
Births Sep 1932
Price John H mother's maiden name Asher Gloucester 6a 451
and possible death:
Deaths Sep 1932
Price John H aged 0 Gloucester 6a 298
Maybe a twin but the other child stillborn??
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Oh brilliant thank you very much
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Nice one, Tiggit - I should have gone to Specsavers! Didn't notice that one.
Elizabeth........... if the child John was a twin, I think the time of birth should be on the birth cert. It usually is, but there may be a difference in the legal requirements if the other twin is stillborn. I'm sure some of the experienced helpers on here will know
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Thank you both very much.
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To search the printed GRO index, go to:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Enter the father's surname, and the mother.s maiden surname and search births:
Births Mar 1925 (>99%)
Price Sylvia C Asher Wheatenhurst 6a 518
Births Mar 1928 (>99%)
Price Kathleen M Asher Gloucester 6a 470
Births Mar 1930 (>99%)
Price Leonard W P Asher Gloucester 6a 416
Births Mar 1931 (>99%)
Price Audrey M Asher Gloucester 6a 445
Births Sep 1932 (>99%)
Price John H Asher Gloucester 6a 451
Births Mar 1934 (>99%)
Price Margaret B Asher Gloucester 6a 419
Births Dec 1935 (>99%)
Price Sheila E Asher Gloucester 6a 390
You can search for marrs in a similar way, but it fails when the bride was a widow as she would marry under her widowed surname. It works here, though, so I click on the page number to see all the names on the page and get:
Marriages Dec 1923 (>99%)
Asher Mary E Price Stroud 6a 719
Price Percy Asher Stroud 6a 719
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Deaths Sep 1932 (>99%)
Price John H 0 Gloucester 6a 298
If I click on the above "Gloucester" link, then the the "here" link, I get info on the civil parishes in the RD headed by:
GLOUCESTER REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Gloucestershire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.4.1937 (to become part of Gloucester City, Gloucester Rural and Cheltenham registration districts).
Re-created : 1.4.1974 (out of Gloucester City and Gloucester Rural registration districts).
Abolished : 1.4.2006 (to become part of Gloucestershire registration district).
Sub-districts : Barnwood, Gloucester, Gloucester Northern, Gloucester Southern, Kingsholme, St. John the Baptist, St. Nicholas, South Hamlet
GRO volumes : XI (1837-51), 6a (1852-1937), 22 (1974-92).
Registers currently held at : Gloucestershire.
Similarly for Wheatenhurst:
WHEATENHURST REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Gloucestershire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.4.1937 (to become part of Gloucester Rural registration district).
Sub-districts : Frampton, Haresfield, Wheatenhurst.
GRO volumes : XI (1837-51), 6a (1852-1937).
Registers currently held at : Gloucestershire.
The subdistricts listed are all those that were ever used in the RD.
This is a listing of piece #s (organized by subdistruct) in use at the time of the 1911 census:
RD325 Gloucester
SD1 Barnwood 15266-15280 (15280 ED 15-17)
SD2 Gloucester Northern 15281-15294 (15293 ED 13-15)
SD3 Gloucester Southern 15295-15325
RD326 Wheatenhurst
SD1 Haresfield 15326-15334
SD2 Frampton 15335-15343
There are 2 places (3 for recent church marrs) where I can buy an official BMD cert, namely the local district office that now holds the rego the informant signed, and the GRO who hold copies.
So John Henry's death would have been rego'ed at the nearby Gloucester Northern subdistrict office.
At the end of the quarter, all the Gloucester Northern's subdistrict Bs and Ds were copied out, checked over by the district superintendent in Gloucester - who retained ant completed rego's.
The proceedure for Ms was similar, except the original marr rego's were usually held by a church, and an identical copy of each rego was made by the superintendent.
Until 1898, only the established church (i.e., CofE or CofW), plus jews, quakers, and registrars were authorized to keep official marr rego's.
In 1898, non-conformists could apply to be authorized to keep official marr rego's (although the RCs chose not to apply until 1980ish).
So if a non-conformist marr took place, and the church had no authorized person, an asst registrar would have to attend with his official rego for the couple to sign.
At the emd of every quarter, the superintendent had another copy of all the authorized marrs, plus his asst registrars' rego's, plus his rego office marrs made.
Completed church rego's would be turned in, and after checking were deposited in some archive - usually the county records office.
The quarterly copies of the Bs and Ds fr0m each subdistrict, and the marr copies as detailed above were all collected and shipped of to the GRO in London (later Southport).
If you think about it, it's clear the local office stores its records differently from the GRO's storage.
Since I can buy a BMD cert from a local office, a local index would help and there are some online - see:
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
and in particular:
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/
Now, a local index must have a local ref, and most local indexes give the ref online - although they may not fully explain it. E.g.,
Births Jun 1911 (>99%)
Smithson Raymond Glanford B. 7a 689
GLANFORD BRIGG REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Abolished : 1.10.1938 (to become part of Scunthorpe registration district).
Sub-districts : Barton, Brigg, Scunthorpe, Winterton.
Registers currently held at : North Lincolnshire.
(North Lincolnshire) Index results for selected person
Full name Raymond SMITHSON
Register number * WINT.68
Entry number * 97
Now,it's not hard to guess WINT is the code for Winterton.
However, church codes are impossible, although R or, say, ROL or ROW often indicates a registrar's rego - ROL and ROW distinguish the Leigh and Wigan registrars in the now amalgamated district.
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Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
PRICE Percy ASHER Mary Ellen Stroud Whiteshill St Paul 1923 C48/2 64
SO8406 : St. Paul's from the south-east
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/790832
Blurb
Subject Location SO 841 068 [100m precision]
You can search for so8406 or the slightly more precise SO 841 068 given in the blurb following the image at:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/
It gives you a streetmap at zoom level 2
It's not particularly helpful - zooming out to zoom level 3 or 4 is better here (zoom level 4 appears on geograph's mini inset map).
The church has a tower, so is symbolized by a square blob with a + on top (spires are round blobs with a +);
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
PRICE Sylvia Caroline ASHER 1925 Gloucester Gloucester, Wheatenhurst 3A 306
PRICE Kathleen Mary ASHER 1928 Gloucester Gloucester, Northern 22 275
PRICE Leonard William Percy ASHER 1929 Gloucester Gloucester, Northern 24 81
PRICE Audrey May ASHER 1931 Gloucester Gloucester, Northern 25 110
PRICE John Henry ASHER 1932 Gloucester Gloucester, Northern 26 232
PRICE Margaret Beatrice ASHER 1933 Gloucester Gloucester, Northern 27 278
PRICE Sheila Evelyn ASHER 1935 Gloucester Gloucester, Northern 29 76
Surname Given Names Age Year Died District Register Entry
PRICE John Henry 1d 1932 Gloucester, Northern 22 357
If it helps to identify the event, a local index may give info that differs from the GRO index.
E.g., the above shows mid-names, not just initials - it also gives John Henry's age at death more precisely.
It might give the year of birth rather than just the quarter of rego (noting one has 6w to rego a birth in England), e,g,,
Births Mar 1878 (>99%)
Barton Margaret Ann Wigan 8c 34
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1877
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
BARTON Margaret Ann DISLEY Wigan Wigan & Leigh WIG/123/347
Margt was born late in 1877 as her baptism shows
Baptism: 2 Jun 1878 St Catharine, Wigan, Lancs.
Margaret Ann Barton - [Child] of Joseph Barton & Jane
Born: 31 Dec 1877
Abode: Scholefield Lane
Occupation: Weighman
Baptised by: J. Bowen
Register: Baptisms 1878 - 1883, Page 2, Entry 13
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives
I don't know what Glos's practice is.
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