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Hello I wonder if anyone could assist please?
I understand my paternal grandma whom I never knew won a beauty queen pageant in the area she lived in Chepstow, Wales.
She lived at what was called Hostel No 1, Bulwark (this is on her marriage certificate in 1920) I have been advised by gwent archives, that this could have been where the owners of the shipyard the Monmouth Shipbuilding Company built some properties as there was a lack of housing after the first world war. Wondering if my grandma worked there and that could be where she was the beauty queen, any help much appreciated? Here husband George Hobbs worked at the shipyard. My grandmas name was Ethel Hobbs (nee Rogers)
Kind regards Julie
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Well no help!, but a snippet with reference...
Chris :)
15 August 1919 - Gloucestershire Echo - Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
CHEPSTOW WORKMAN DROWNED
Another drowning fatality, the third within a week has occurred in the River Wye at Chepstow, the victim being Albert Bradley (18) shipyard worker, lodging at Bulwark Hostel, Chepstow.
Deaths Sep 1919 (>99%)
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Bradley Albert H 18 Chepstow 11a 6
http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced
(not sure if above cover that timescale)
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Julie ...
Have you tried googling your grandmother's name, possibly with beauty queen, Wales?
I think it would have happened before she married, so the date could range from when she was about 14 to her marriage.
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(off topic, but saw below)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=494810.0
(somebody had above query relating, possibly Mother Laura below)
Chris :)
ROGERS, LAURA ANN (WILLIAMS)
GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE Volume 06A Page 502
National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription (Find My Past)
First name(s) Laura
Last name Rogers
Birth year 1871
Birth date 11 Sep 1871
Event year 1882
School name Llanellen National School
Town Llanellen
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Parent name(s) Edwin
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1257688?page=0
(a past 'Thread', do you need any more help from above?)
Edits
(would that be the Factory below?)
http://www.newportpast.com/gallery/photos/php/photo_page.php?search=&search2=&pos=1533
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Thank you to everyone.
Hello Chris HO the person above on the roots chat.com query was myself but thank you in any case.
Also for the paper cutting on the man who drowned who lived in the hostel at Bulwark.
SylviaInCanada thank you for your reply. I did google my grandma but with no success. Her name was Ethel Rogers before she married and my aunt (aged 96) told my mum that her mum Ethel was on a framed photo in the house of her time as the beauty queen so presumed it was when she was married.
I thought if I could find where she was given the title of beauty queen I could maybe find something in a local paper as presume it would have been photographed?
My grandma was born in September 1899 in Newport Workhouse to Laura Rogers. Sadly in 1932 she was admitted into abergavenny asylum wth what we now know to be post natal depression, this was after her fifth child and my father was the fourth child and aged 4 when all the children were told that their mother had died when in fact she had not! This is a really sad as apparently she was alive and did not pass away until 11th April 1980 (which was the exact date of my father and mother's 30th wedding anniversary ironically) I therefore have no photos to see which is also very sad, I thought if I could find the beauty queen one it would be lovely to have and see.
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Is this your post on Curious Fox, Julie?
Slightly different details from your post on this thread:
Tracing information on my grandma Ethel Winifred Rogers, have been given some but checking to see if anyone else can help. She worked in the munitions factory in Newport during the first world war and was crowned the factory beauty queen, there was a picture taken of her with other workers but have been unable to trace anything, I understand a local newspaper took pictures and so a picture must be somewhere!! She married in 1920 and moved to live in chepstow, her married name Hobbs. :
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Did she stay at same Address as 1911...Newport has below, with 1914 etc...if any of family were about...
http://www.newportpast.com/records/index.php
(they also have a 'Contact' facility, and might be able to help more, regarding the factory, or local Newspapers for that time, if you haven't already done so)
(below was her Mother)
Marriages Mar 1921 (>99%)
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Leonard Ernest J Rogers Newport M 11a 611
Rogers Laura A Leonard Newport M. 11a 611
1911 (Find My Past) (Reference)
Edward Rogers Head Widower Male 71 1840 Grosmont Farm Labour
Laura Rogers Daughter Single Female 39 1872 Herefordshire At Home
Ethel Rogers Granddaughter - Female 11 1900 Newport At School
Wallace Rogers Son Married Male 28 1883 In Monmouthshire Tinplate Worker In Mills
Rachel Rogers Daughter In Law Married Female 23 1888 Glamorganshire -
Rose Isabelle Rogers Granddaughter - Female 2 1909 Glamorganshire
Sprout Cottage, Draythan Lower Machen Newport Mon, Llanfedw, Glamorganshire
1901 (Find My Past)
Edwin Rogers Head Married Male 59 1842 Grosmont, Monmouthshire, Wales Assistant Gamekeeper
Emily Rogers Wife Married Female 58 1843 Kilpeck, Herefordshire, England -
Wallace Rogers Son Single Male 18 1883 - Waggoner On Farm
Rosie Rogers Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Llanellen, Monmouthshire, Wales -
Ethel Rogers Grand Daughter - Female 1 1900 Monmouthshire, Wales
Draythan, Llanvedw, Cardiff, Glamorganshire
1891 (Find My Past)
Edwin Rogers Head Married Male 47 1844 Monmouthshire, Wales Game Keeper
Emma Rogers Wife Married Female 48 1843 Herefordshire, England -
Clara Rogers Daughter - Female 13 1878 Herefordshire, England Scholar
William Rogers Son - Male 11 1880 Herefordshire, England Scholar
Wallis John Rogers Son - Male 8 1883 Herefordshire, England Scholar
Rosa Annie Rogers Daughter - Female 6 1885 Monmouthshire, Wales
Beggan, Cardiff, Glamorganshire,
Birth
ROGERS, CLARA JANE (WILLIAMS)
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 519
Birth
ROGERS, WILLIAM HERBERT (WILLIAMS)
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 525
ROGERS, WALLACE JOHN (WILLIAMS)
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 507
Birth
ROGERS, ROSA ANN (WILLIAMS)
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in ABERGAVENNY Volume 11A Page 59
Any local newspapers about today, some have a 'Looking Back' type of thing, or just a request in general, somebody may remember something...
(clutching at straws here, lol)
Chris :)
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(can see below)
Chris :)
1939 Register (Find My Past)
10 Summerhill Avenue , Newport C.B., Monmouthshire,
Laura A Leonard 11 Sep 1871 Female (Widowed)
Elizabeth Weston 28 Sep 1878 Female Insurance Agent
William J Walker 03 Nov 1877 Male Wood Machinist Married
Ethel E Walker 17 Feb 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Rosina A Webb 17 Jun 1858 Female
1939
Mental Hospital , Abergavenny R.D., Monmouthshire,
Ethel W Hobbs Patient 1900 Female Domestic Duties Unpaid Married
Info. (from Find My Past)
The 1939 Register is one of the most important twentieth century genealogical resources for England and Wales. The 1931 census was destroyed by fire. No census was taken in 1941 because of the war. So the 1939 register is the only national census-like resource available for this period.
Once war became inevitable the British Government knew they had to issue National Identity cards. They planned for the wide-scale mobilisation of the population and the eventual introduction of rationing. The most recent census was now almost a decade old, so more up-to-date statistics were needed. Some preparations had already begun for the 1941 census, so the Government capitalised on this to take a register of the civilian population. They issued Identity cards immediately afterwards (which were used until 1952).
The Government constantly updated and changed the 1939 Register over time to take account of changes of address or deaths. When they introduced rationing in 1941, they planned it with information from the 1939 Register. The 1939 Register eventually formed the basis of the NHS registration system.
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Thank you Argyll Gran yes that is my post on curious fox, as you can see still searching.
Thank you Chris Ho, I am not sure where the family were after 1911, I presume as Ethel would have been 11 in 1911 then possibly they did stay in the area? wonder if she attended schools in that area - but not sure how to find that out.
Also not sure how to look for newspaper articles with possible reference to the beauty queen photo?
On the 1939 register not sure why 1900 female domestic duties unpaid married is showing? Its the 1900 as she would have been less than one year old in that year?
Sorry for all these questions but all the help is greatly appreciated.
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I posted below earlier, which would be a good option...
http://www.newportpast.com/records/index.php
(they also have a 'Contact' facility, and might be able to help more, regarding the factory, or local Newspapers for that time, if you haven't already done so)
Chris :)
http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced
(couldn't see anything on above last night, you have to 'play' around with keywords, but not sure if all local newspapers would be covered, or that timescale)
The 1939 gives Birthdates...but for Ethel, and all on page, NK for Date, and 00 for year, so a year out (but not all are precise on this Register!)
Edits
Have you checked 'Search All Member Trees' (top right of page here, under 'Search') in case any other Members are sharing names they might perhaps have photographs relating to family, Weddings etc.)
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Julie...............
explanation of ..............
1900 unpaid domestic duties married
The 1939 Register showed the date of birth, but obviously whoever filled out the form for the hospital did not know her actual date of birth, other than the year.
The image of the Register will actually show the following, ie a das mark in each of the two columns where date and month in numerals should have been entered ...
- - 1900
Every married woman who did not have a job was described in the occupation column as "unpaid domestic duties"
So it shows she was married, born in 1900, and was a normal housewife :unpaid domestic duties"!
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