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Hi, I’m trying to find out more about this reference and not having much success. Military things are quite involved at times, and I’m at a loss how to interprete this information or find out more. Can anyone help please?
From Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Admissions and Discharges 1715-1925
JAS BEACHAM aged 22
Pension 24/11/1824
Regiment 8th
On later censuses he has Chelsea Pensioner added to his occupation.
His name is spelt in different ways, was originally James Beauchamp, but otherwise written Beaucham, Beachum, Beacham.
I wondered what happened to him to get a pension, what the 8th is and where it fought, and how much was the pension.
His DOB is 1803
I found that information on Ancestry but couldn’t find how they had it or original records. There was another website mentioned called Fold 3 but that looks as though you have to subscribe to that too, so any help would be appreciated.
Glyn
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British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription
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First name(s) James
Last name Beacham
Birth year 1803
Birth parish Berkly
Birth town Berkly
Birth county Somerset
Birth country England
Service number -
Rank PRIVATE
Regiment -
Year 1821
Attestation date 03 Feb 1821
Attestation age years 18
Discharge corps 8th (Or Kings) Regt Of Foot
Document type Discharge
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 97
Box 294
Box record number 48
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
if this is james he had his left leg amputated
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Broadway, Frome, Somerset, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Beachamp Head Married Male 49 1802 Laborer Somerset, England
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Maria Beachamp Wife Married Female 32 1819 - Elm, Somerset, England
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Emma Beachamp Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1836 Silkworker Frome, Somerset, England
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Ann Beachamp Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1837 Nursemaid Frome, Somerset, England
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Mary Beachamp Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Frome, Somerset, England
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Henry Beachamp Son - Male 10 1841 - Frome, Somerset, England
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Alfred Beachamp Son - Male 2 1849 - Frome, Somerset, England
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Joseph Beachamp Son - Male 0 1851 - Frome, Somerset, England
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Union Street, Frome, Somerset, England
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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Beacham Head Married Male 58 1803 General Labourer Chelsea Pensioner Berkley, Somerset, England
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Maria Beacham Wife Married Female 40 1821 - Great Elm, Somerset, England
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Alfred Beacham Son - Male 12 1849 - Frome, Somerset, England
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Joseph Beacham Son - Male 10 1851 - Frome, Somerset, England
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Albert Beacham Son - Male 4 1857 - Frome, Somerset, England
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I have an ancestor whose occupation on death cert is 'Out Pensioner of Royal Hospital Chelsea' with his military regiment.
Andy
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Yes thank you. That is definitely James that’s in my family tree. So he had his leg amputated. Wow. May I ask did you find that out from National Archives? It didn’t stop him living a long life and marrying twice!!!
Glyn
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Glyn, since retiring I have become a part time civilian volunteer at the Royal Hospital Chelsea. The hospital has an archive section that may be able to help with your query. I can enquire on your behalf or, if you prefer, I can provide the postal address or email address so you can get in touch with them direct.
Let me know.
Ron
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Glyn, further to my previous message I've just noticed on the Royal Hospital's website that they charge £20 for an archival search. I'll see if I can get some information for you myself, but it may take a couple of weeks as I am only there on a Monday.
Ron
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That’s really kind of you Ron. I’d appreciate that if you have the opportunity. Thank you. Glyn
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No problem, will be in touch. Ron
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Good morning Glyn, unfortunately I was unaware that the records held at the Royal Hospital Chelsea (RHC) start in 1871. Before that date the records are held by the National Archives at Kew. My contact at the RHC did look to see if there was anything post 1871, but drew a blank I'm afraid. Sorry not to have had a more positive outcome. I suggest you contact the National Archives https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/contact-us/
There's a live chat facility, as well as telephone contact details etc. I've found them very helpful when I've contacted them or visited the building.
Best of luck with your research
Ron
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Thank you very much Ron. I will follow that up with National Archives, and really appreciate your time in enquiring for me.
I didn’t know about the 1871 date either. That’s useful to know.
Best wishes
Glyn
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British Army Service Records Transcription
First name(s) Jas
Last name Beacham
Birth year -
Year 1845-54
Regiment 8th Foot
Regiment / service number as transcribed 8 Foot
Pension year 1824
Series Wo 23 - Royal Hospital Chelsea: Admission Books, Registers, And Papers 1702-1876
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 23
Piece number 36
Piece description 1-9 Foot. Dates of service 1820-1854.
Year range 1845-1854
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Date of admission 24 Nov.1824, Residence given as Frome (with Bath written beneath). So looks as though he was an "out' Pensioner i.e.. living at home whilst receiving pension
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First name(s) Jas
Last name Beacham
Birth year -
Year 1855-66
Regiment 8th Foot
Regiment / service number as transcribed 8th Foot
Pension year 1824
Series Wo 23 - Royal Hospital Chelsea: Admission Books, Registers, And Papers 1702-1876
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 23
Piece number 46
Piece description Foot Guards to 10 Foot.
Year range 1855-1866
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Same date 24 Nov 1824. Residence given as Bath
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British Army Service Records Transcription
First name(s) James
Last name Beacham
Birth year -
Year 1865-75
Regiment 8th Foot
Regiment / service number as transcribed 8th Foot
Pension year 1824
Series Wo 23 - Royal Hospital Chelsea: Admission Books, Registers, And Papers 1702-1876
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 23
Piece number 56
Piece description Foot Guards to 10 Foot.
Year range 1865-1875
District 1865 column says Bath -
with Gloucester 1/7 and Bath ¼ written underneath
1873 says Bath
There are 2 columns for Rate of pension - one for shillings and another for pence. Both of his columns have . in them
(the one above his for example says . for shillings and 9 for pence)
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That’s fantastic. Thanksgreyghost
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I am looking for my great grandfather John William Beacham born in Kingham in 1866/68 ,but cannot find him anywhere in Kingham ,I only know that his father is stated on his Army papers as Henry Beacham and Army No is 6825 and not sure when he was discharged Thank you Doreen Beacham Powell.
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Doreen
It would probably be better to delete this and start your own thread on Military Chat.
It would also be a good idea to say where you have looked and which regiment he was in.
Edit: as so much information has now been added to this thread please DO NOT delete and restart.
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This is a very old thread and the poster is unlikely to be expecting a response, and is probably in no way connected to your relation, in view of the location
Where have you looked?
Who, when and where did JWB marry?
How do you know he was born in Kingham?
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from a tree on ancestry
John William BEACHAM
Birth 1868 • Kingham, Oxfordshire, England
Death JUN 1933 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Birth
1868 • Kingham, Oxfordshire, England
18768
Death of mother Mary Caroline Wheeler(1846–1876)
6 Feb 1876 • Stow on the Wold, Gloucestershire
18768
Birth of half-sister Daisy Beecham(1876–)
abt 1876 • Kingham, Oxfordshire, England
187911
Birth of half-brother Richard Beacham(1879–)
1879 • Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England
188012
Birth of half-sister Jessica Sarah Beacham(1880–1960)
1880 • Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England
188214
Birth of half-sister Joyce Beacham(1882–)
1882 • Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England
188416
Military
1884
Hyle Brigade.
188517
Birth of half-brother William Harry Beacham(1885–)
1885 • Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England
188719
Marriage
19 Jun 1887 • Erdington, St Barnabas, Warwickshire, England
Sarah Ann Fisher
(1869–1914)
188719
Birth of half-brother Francis Victor Beacham(1887–)
1887 • Broadwell, Gloucestershire, England
189224
Birth of son Charles Henry BEACHAM(1892–1938)
1892 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England
189527
Birth of son Thomas Arthur BEACHAM(1895–1969)
12 Feb 1895 • Erdington, Warwickshire
189527
Occupation
1895 • Rose Cottage, Erdington, Warwickshire, England
occupation on baptism of son Thomas : labourer at gasworks.
189729
Birth of daughter Louisa Florence Beacham(1897–)
Dec 1897 • Aston, Warwickshire, United Kingdom,
189830
Death of father Henry John Beacham(1850–1898)
July 1898 • Camberwell, London, England
190032
Birth of daughter Lily May BEACHAM(1900–1978)
Mar 1900 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England
190133
Birth of son George Enoch Beecham(1901–1971)
1 Dec 1901 • Aston, Warwickshire
190133
Residence
1901 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England
Age: 35; Relation to Head of House: Head
190537
Birth of daughter Laura Hannah Beacham(1905–)
Mar 1905 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England
190941
Birth of daughter Annie Elizabeth Beecham(1909–1996)
22 May 1909 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England
191143
Residence
02 Apr 1911 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England
Age: 43; Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Head. 11, Moorend Road. Gas Worker.
191244
Residence
1912 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
191345
Residence
1913 • Erdington Birmingham
Other Records: Father
191446
Death of wife Sarah Ann Fisher(1869–1914)
Mar 1914 • Warwickshire, United Kingdom
191446
Residence
1914 • Erdington Birmingham England
Other Records: Father
191547
Marriage
28 Nov 1915 • Aston, St Peter and St Paul, Warwickshire, England
Ellen Smith
(1896–1970)
192355
Birth of son Charles Arthur Beacham(1923–1994)
11 May 1923 • Aston, Warwickshire
192658
Birth of daughter Violet Jean Beacham(1926–2000)
29 Mar 1926 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
192759
Residence
1927 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
56, Albert Cottages.
193062
Residence
1930 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
193365
Death
Jun 1933 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
parents
Henry John Beacham
1850–1898
Mary Caroline Wheeler
1846–1876
1901
Name John Beaucham
Age 35
Estimated Birth Year 1866
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Spouse Sarah Beaucham
Birth Place Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish Erdington
Ecclesiastical parish Erdington St Barnabas
County/Island Warwickshire
Country England
Registration district Aston
Sub-registration district Erdington
ED, institution, or vessel 15
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 2876
Folio 131
Page number 14
Household schedule number 96
1911
Record details
Name John Beacham
Age in 1911 43
Estimated Birth Year 1868
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Kingham, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish Erdington
Country England
Street Address 11 Moorend Lane Erdington
Marital Status Married
Occupation Gasworker Stoker
Registration District Number 385
Sub-registration district Erdinton
ED, institution, or vessel 05
Piece 18324
Household membersName Age
John Beacham 43
Sarah Ann Beacham 42
Charley Beacham 19
Thomas Beacham 16
Louie Beacham 13
Lily Beacham 11
George Beacham 9
Laura Beacham 6
Annie Beacham 2
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