thanks for the Newspaper article Londonbelle, I found then very interesting.
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You've just beaten me too it with the 1861 Census, ArgyllG
The William Chubb on the transcript is 'Son's Wife' which is, I believe, looking at the image, Maillim. Maillim being the wife of the Richard Chubb on Roy's other Thread.
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The above articles refer to the man who married Mary Packer:
John Chubb in the 1861 England Census Name: John Chubb Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: 1811 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Chubb Gender: Male Where Born: Bickleigh, Devon, England Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel Town: Devonport County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address: 64 Navy Row <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Stoke Damerel Sub-registration District: Stoke ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 247 Piece: 1453 Folio: 25 Page Number: 44 Household Members: Name Age John Chubb 50 - leading man of labourers, Bickleigh Mary Chubb 50 Louisa E Chubb 13 George Chubb 10 Emma Jane Chubb 8 John Packer 26 Richard Chubb 25 William Chubb 25
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A couple of Articles relating to John Chubb which could be the person you are looking for?
Article in the Tavistock Express, 15 May 1863 FATAL ACCIDENT IN DEVONPORT DOCKYARD
A fatal accident took place in Devonport Dockyard , on Monday afternoon, whereby Mr John Chubb, leading-man of labourers, was crushed to death and two labourers badly injured. The accident took place as one of the piles of balks of timber stacked near the millwright's shop. At about three o'clock a gang of labourers were there employed, under Mr Chubb's superintendence, in lowering some of the balks of enormous weight, that was the outer balk in front of the pile, on the uppermost layer. Their plan appears to have been to pass the bights of rope round th balk to be lowered, while the standing part of these ropes was secured to the last balk on the inner side on the same tier, and other ends of the ropes used by the men to lower by. The descending balk being thus allowed to roll over in its descent. The inner balk to which the ropes were secured was, it appears, a very light one in comparison with the one being lowered, and directly the weight of the latter was brought to bear on the ropes on its slipping off the edge of the pile, the inner balk was torn out from its place in the tier, and along with the heavier balk thrown on the pavement with fearful violence. Mr Chubb was standing on the pile at the time, and was swept off by the started balk. He fell on his face on the granite pavement, and in that position the balk fell on his head and upper part of his body, crushing him flat, and causing him instantaneous death. Two of the labourers were also badly injured by the accident, but in the confusion of the moment the cause was hardly known. Some upright pieces of timber are said to haven been placed between the balk to guard against such an accident, but on the balk starting they proved totally ineffective, being instantly broken and swept off. Mr Chubb was, it is said, about 50 years of age; he had been employed in his department in the Dockyard for many years, and was considered to be one of the most efficient persons there for managing this kind of work. He leaves a widow and a large family, among whom is a widowed daughter, dependent upon him. As some alleviation to their misfortune, it is, however, expected that the widow will receive one half of the pension the deceased would have been entitled to. The body was taken to the engine-room, near the surgery, to await a coroner's inquest.
(Another later article states that John Chubb's widow was awarded £10 per annum pension)
The following article was in The Western Daily Mercury on 13 May 1863
FATAL ACCIDENT AT THE DEVONPORT DOCKYARD
An Inquest was held at the Town Hall, Devonport, yesterday afternoon, before Allan R Bone, Esq., coroner touching the death of John Chubb, who was killed at the Dockyard on Monday afternoon. under the following circumstances:-A gang of labourers, acting under the superintendence of the deceased, were employed on a pile of balks of timber. They were endeavouring to lower a very large balk which was tied by roe, four men being on the top of the pile for that purpose. In order to have sufficient control over the piece of timber, which was two tons in weight, the other ends of the rope were tied round another piece of timber on the top of the pile;but that piece not being much more that half the weight of piece being lowered, the larger piece dragged the smaller one after it. Mr Chubb, who was standing on the pile, was thrown violently to the ground, and, the plank falling on his head and body, he was killed instantly. Two other men, who were also standing on the pile, were more or less injured. After hearing the evidence, the jury returned a verdict of Accidental Death. During the examination of one of the witnesses, a juryman fell asleep, and was apparently unconcerned to all that was going on around him. The Coroner said he was very sorry to disturb him in his nap, but his reason for so doing was tat he (the juryman) had taken an oath to give a true verdict to the case before him, and it was impossible for him to give the requisite amount of attention while he was asleep. He (the Coroner) also reminded him that he was liable to a very heavy penalty, and then discharged him from the jury. Yesterday afternoon the deceased man, Chubb, was carried to his late residence, Navy Row, by a number of men who have been accustomed to work with him. The coffin, which was made in the Yard, was covered with a Union Jack. The melancholy accident has cast a gloom over the Yard, in which the deceased was greatly respected.
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Roy
All anyone on here can do is provide info 'as found' It's up to you to evaluate it and do your own further IN-DEPTH research into what is, after all, YOUR family.
And remember to work BACKWARDS.........................
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Hi Erikah, I am totally confused about the possible second marriage of Richard to Anne. The time would be correct but this is the first I have heard about it and I am a little wary about documenting this marriage until I have more concreate proof Roy
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Hi LondonBelle, I do not believe this is the correct John Chubb, wrong DOB and wrong parents. Thanks anyway Roy
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Any comments, Roy?????
Please respond ON THE THREAD. Thank you
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Burial of Richard Chubb senior, father of John & Richard?
First name(s) Richard Country England Last name Chubb Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office Birth year 1786 Archive reference 476/7 Burial year 1850 Archive event Burial registers Age 64 Page 98 Burial date 19 May 1850 Abode Knackers Knowle ------------- Record set Devon Burials Denomination Anglican Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Place Tamerton Foliot Subcategory Parish Burials County Devon
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Knackers Knowle, Egg Buckland, Plympton St Mary, Devon, England
Richard Chubb Head Married Male 30 1821 Farm labourer Devon, England Anne Chubb Wife Married Female 33 1818 - Devon, England Henry Chubb Son - Male 9 1842 Day school Egg Buckland, Devon, England Robert Chubb Son - Male 7 1844 Day school Egg Buckland, Devon, England John Chubb Son - Male 5 1846 - Egg Buckland, Devon, England George Chubb Son - Male 1 1850 - Egg Buckland, Devon, England John Brown Father-in-law Wr Male 68 1783 Pauper shoe maker Devon, England
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I've found the image on FamilySearch but doesn't state marital status for Richard Name Richard Chubb Labourer Sex Male Spouse's Name Ann Coss Spinster Spouse's Sex Female Spouse's Marital Status Single Marriage Date 11 Jul 1816 Marriage Place East Stonehouse, Devon, England Witnesses Mary Coss & Frances Chubb (could be Francis)
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I was hoping that it might say if Richard was a Widower and perhaps if the Witnesses might help
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Death of Jane? irst name(s) Jane Burial place Bickleigh (Near Plymouth) Last name Chubb Abode Tamerton Foliot County Devon Age 31 Country England Birth year 1782 Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office Death year 1813 Record set Devon Burials Burial year 1813 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Burial date 17 Nov 1813 Subcategory Parish Burials Denomination Anglican
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No parental info on pre-1837 marriage records.
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I'm just wondering if the Father of John and Richard are the same person. Now I haven't checked this out but if Jane Chubb nee Dadd the mother of John Chubb died in 1813 as per the Tree that Maddie has found on Ancestry could Richard Chubb have remarried? There is a marriage for Richard Chubb to Ann Coss on 11 Jul 1816 at East Stonehouse sadly there is only the transcript so not much information. If the above is correct Richard Chubb and his first wife Jane Dadd are the parents of John and Richard Chubb and his second wife Ann Coss are the parents of Richard
So that would make John & Richard half brothers
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1939
Name: John Chubb Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 22 Apr 1873 Residence Date: 1939 Address: 38 St Vincent St Residence Place: Plymouth, Devon, England Occupation: Retiree Line Number: 44 Schedule Number: 205 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: Weum Borough: Plymouth Registration district: 276/3 Household Members Age John Chubb 66 Rose L Chubb 46 Gladys L B Smith 17
Name: John Chubb Death Date: 29 Sep 1956 Death Place: Plymouth Probate Date: 18 Oct 1956 Probate Registry: Exeter Probate granted to Gladys Betty Laura Smith - spinster Effects £817 10s
Births Mar 1922 (>99%) Smith Gladys B L Smith E.Stonehouse 5b 449
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Richard in 1841 Census with wife Ann
Name: Richard Chubb Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Where Born: Devon, England Civil Parish: Egg Buckland Hundred: Roborough County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Plympton St Mary Sub-registration District: Plympton Neighbors: Piece: 240 Book: 16 Folio: 10 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Richard Chubb 20 Ann Chubb 20 William Chubb 3 Mo
Next door could be Parents Richard & Ann?
Name: Richard Chubb Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Gender: Male Where Born: Devon, England Civil Parish: Egg Buckland Hundred: Roborough County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Plympton St Mary Sub-registration District: Plympton Neighbors: Piece: 240 Book: 16 Folio: 10 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Richard Chubb 50 Ann Chubb 50 William Chubb 20 Robert Chubb 15 Stephan Chubb 10 Thomas Chubb 5
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First name(s) Robert Last name Chubb Baptism date 18 Aug 1844 Father's first name(s) Richard Mother's first name(s) Ann Place Eggbuckland
First name(s) Richard Last name Chubb Marriage date 07 Nov 1840 Spouse's first name(s) Ann Spouse's last name Brown Place Stoke Damerel
His father: Richard, Labourer Her father: John, Labourer
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The details of Robert Chubb"s marriage to Jane Ann Clemence are (Image on FMP)
First name(s) Robert Last name Chubb Age Full Age Occupation Labourer Address 7 Exeter Street Year 1868 Marriage date 25 Mar 1868 Place Plymouth, Charles the Martyr Denomination Anglican Spouse's first name(s) Jane Ann Spouse's last name Clemence Father's first name(s) Richard Father's last name Chubb Occupation Labourer Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas Spouse's father's last name Clemence County Devon
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1911 Census for Alfred shows he was born in Marquette, Michigan Name: Alfred Chubb Age in 1911: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Marquette, Michigan, United States of America Civil Parish: Plymouth Search Photos: Search for 'Plymouth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Country: England Street Address: 56 Grenville Road, Plymouth Marital status: Married Occupation: Assistant Grocer Registration District Number: 276 Sub-registration District: Plymouth South East ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Piece: 12964 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Chubb 34 Matilda Jane Chubb 36 Gladys Winnifred Chubb 9
Also Alfred's Marriage to Matilda Jane Horsham on 12 May 1900 gives his Father as Robert Chubb...image on FMP. Alfred is aged 23, a Grocer and gives his address as 1 Trafalgar Place , Plymouth the same as that in the 1891 Census, his grandfather Richard's address.
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