Very good find, Maddie.
Ancestry version, which is less of a muddle than FMP
Name: George Campbell Gender: Male Marriage Age: 33 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1833 Marriage Date: 3 Jul 1866 Marriage Place: Bevington, St Alban, Lancashire, England Father: James Campbell........................Musician Spouse: Margaret Keylow Father: Charles Eaton..........Farmer
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showa more info if relevant
George Spouse's birth year 1833 Last name Campbell Spouse's marital status Widow Age 33 Spouse's residence Burlington St Birth year 1833 Spouse's father's first name(s) Charles Occupation Musician Spouse's father's last name Eaton Marital status Widower Spouse's father's occupation Farmer Year 1866 Witness 1 Watler Francis Marriage year 1866 Witness 2 Maragret Shacklock Marriage date 03 Jul 1866 County Lancashire Place Bevington, St Alban Country England Denomination Church Of England Archive Liverpool Record Office Diocese Liverpool Archive reference 283-ALB-3-1 Residence Burlington ST Register type Marriages Father's first name(s) James Register year range 1850-1867 Father's last name Campbell Record set Lancashire Banns & Marriages Father's occupation Musician Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Spouse's first name(s) Margaret Subcategory Parish Marriages Spouse's last name Keylow Collections from England, Great Britain Spouse's age 33
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Posting what comes up when inputting 'musician' as a keyword. with birth years which would 'fit'
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Peter Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Sheen Head Married Male 52 1799 Laying house keeper Ireland Bridget Sheen Wife Married Female 51 1800 - Ireland Ann Sheen Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1838 Scholar London, Middlesex, England Margaret Cand Servant Unmarried Female 17 1834 Servant Ireland William Calcot Visitor Married Male 38 1813 Farm engmo fitter Liverpool, Lancashire, England Alice Calcot Visitor Married Female 34 1817 Farm engmo fitter wife Liverpool, Lancashire, England John Ellis Visitor Married Male 30 1821 Gardiner Ball, Somerset, England George Emley Visitor Married Male 29 1822 Violin player Stockport, Cheshire, England George Campbell Visitor Unmarried Male 29 1822 Musician Scotland
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 26, Beswick Row, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary A Craig Head Widow Female 67 1834 Laundress Roker, Northumberland, England Esther A Craig Daughter Widow Female 39 1862 Laundress Wigan, Lancashire, England Charles Craig Son Single Male 31 1870 Musician Manchester, Lancashire, England George Campbell Visitor Married Male 70 1831 Musician (playing bagpipes) Scotland Henry Percy Boarder Single Male 55 1846 House painter London, Middlesex, England Alice Herwin Boarder Single Female 62 1839 Charwoman Manchester, Lancashire, England Henry Craig Grand son Single Male 9 1892 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census 28, Abbey Street, St Margarets, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Joseph Lawton Head Married Male 47 1814 Warp hawker Leicestershire, England Ann Lawton Wife Married Female 46 1815 - Earl Shilton, Leicestershire, England Tom Henry Lawton Son - Male 14 1847 Hair dresser Leicestershire, England Mary Ann Lawton Daughter - Female 12 1849 Scholar Leicestershire, England James Lawton Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Leicestershire, England James Daplidge Lodger Unmarried Male 75 1786 Framework knitter Leicestershire, England William Johnson Lodger Unmarried Male 52 1809 Framework knitter Kent, England Thomas Rass Lodger Unmarried Male 29 1832 Framework knitter Leicester, Leicestershire, England Biddy Ratchford Lodger Unmarried Female 26 1835 Hawlker and smalware Ireland George Campbell Lodger Married Male 31 1830 Musician Scotland James Campbell Lodger - Male 7 1854 Musician Scotland Patrick Murphy Lodger Married Male 24 1837 Brass moulder Ireland John Morton Lodger Married Male 38 1823 Book hawker Manchester, Lancashire, England William R Stewart Lodger Unmarried Male 28 1833 Tailor Scotland Susan Campbell Lodger - Female 11 1850 Musician Scotland
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No-one with the name Campbell at 113 Charter Street on 1871 census
So far, no actual 'sighting' of the alleged father anywhere in connection with the woman in question
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The address she gives when she marries is Cunliffe Street, RhosDdu. No-one named Campbell is living there in 1891
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The census date was 2nd April for 1971. A bit close to the birth. Would they have moved so quickly so as to not be on the 1871 census.? A bit tough on the mother.
I assume the birth certificate implies the parents were married. I couldn’t find that.
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113 Charter Street Manchester
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What was the address on the birth cert?
Who registered the birth?
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Erikah
Georgina's birth cert
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The "Frances" only occurs in her marriage
The birth Cert is difficult to read
T?ewnt?th
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Gerry
Please clarify exactly which documented info you have in your possession.
The precise wording would also be useful
The woman who married in February 1893 aged 22 would not have been born as late as April 1871, if she knew her age accurately.
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As the baptism posted was in Latin, may be Frances was an additional name chosen and added, when the child was confirmed ?
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If the date of birth as per certificate is correct, then the baptism posted yesterday by safc can't be right as it says that Georgiana was born on 19th (unless that's a mistake)
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For what it's worth - if anything -
Ancestry suggests this may be related to the George in Georgina Francis's marriage record - though this woman is 22 years older than Georgina, so possibly unlikely:
Susan Campbell in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 Name: Susan Campbell Gender: Female Marriage Age: 19 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1849 Marriage Date: 25 May 1868 Marriage Place: Manchester, St Thomas, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Manchester, St Thomas Father: George Campbell Spouse: John Garrity Reference Number: GB127.M330/3/2/1
The father George is a musician.
Susan Garrity in the 1871 Scotland Census Name: Susan Garrity Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relationship: Wife Spouse's Name: John Garrity Gender: Female Where born: Haroeck [ Hawick ] , Roxburgh Registration Number: 644/1 Registration district: Central District Civil parish: Glasgow St Paul County: Lanarkshire Address: 13 Bell St Occupation: Vecalist [ vocalist ] ED: 28 Household schedule number: 79 Line: 4 Roll: CSSCT1871_123 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship John Garrity 22 Boarder Susan Garrity 20 Wife Eliza Garrity 2 Daur (Daughter) George Garrity 11mo Son
George Campbell in the 1851 Scotland Census Name: George Campbell Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 Relationship: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Ayrshire Parish Number: 789 Civil Parish: Hawick Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Hawick County: Roxburghshire Address: Backrow Occupation: Feddler [ could be "Fiddler" - though maybe Peddler/pedlar ] ED: 10 Page: 16 Household Schedule Number: 48 Line: 4 Roll: CSSCT1851_201 Household Members: Name Age George Campbell 23 Margaret Campbell 20 Susan Campbell 3 Mary Ann Campbell 2 (not transcribed) 8 Mo (male)
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Does the birth cert give the middle name Frances? The GRO transcription doesn't.
What record have you found of the middle name?
Is the Georgina in the Denbighshire marriage posted by Greyghost the right person? And/or the Jennie in the 1901 census?
Just in case it turns out to be relevant - this is the marriage of the parents of the child baptised in Cheetham in 1871 - posted by Safc :
George Campbell in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1935 Name: George Campbell Gender: Male Marriage Age: 33 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1833 Marriage Date: 3 Jul 1866 Marriage Place: Bevington, St Alban, Lancashire, England Father: James Campbell Spouse: Margaret Keylow
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thank for your input
the info i have is from Georgiana's birth cert
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?? Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: CARTER, GEORGINA CAMPBELL GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in DARLINGTON Volume 10A Page 7
--------------------------- ?? Georgina shown as Jennie
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 26, Orchard Street, Carlisle Botchergate, Carlisle, Cumberland, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Storey Head Married Male 70 1831 Shoe maker Dalston, Cumberland, England Catherine Storey Wife Married Female 73 1828 - Wigton, Cumberland, England John Geo Grant Grand son Single Male 17 1884 - Dalston, Cumberland, England Ronald A Grant Grand son Single Male 15 1886 - Carlisle, Cumberland, England Mary I Grant Grand daughter Single Female 10 1891 - Carlisle, Cumberland, England Peter Grant Grand son Single Male 8 1893 - Carlisle, Cumberland, England Silas Carter Visitor Married Male 32 1869 Living on own means Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Jennie Carter Visitor Married Female 29 1872 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Georgina Carter Visitor Single Female 1 1900 - Darlington, Durham, England
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