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I did wonder why Florence was sent so far away. But at least Alice returned to aKent and reunited with her son.
Thinking caps back on.
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Good thinking, I wondered whether Alice might have taken the job in the IoW to be close to Florence's school.
Here's Alice in the 1939, alone:
First name(s) Alice E
Last name(s) Batt
Birth date 18 Jun 1875 <<< should be 1871
Birth day 18
Birth month 6
Birth year 1875
Sex Female
Marital status Widowed
Occupation Unpaid Domestic Duties
Address 13 Cliffe Road, Rochester
Place Rochester M.B.
Borough / district Rochester M.B.
County Kent
Country England
E. D. letter code DIMK
Schedule 90
Schedule sub number 1
Archive reference RG101/1770A/007/41
Piece number 1770A
Item number 7
Line number 41
Special interest groups -
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England
Ref: RG101/1770A/007/41 Letter Code: DIMK
This is Alice's death certificate, regrettably not reported by Florence but by her son Sidney:
Registration District Chatham
1942 Deaths in the Sub-District of Rochester in the County of Kent.
234, Twentieth September 1942 in Bartholomew’s Hospital Rochester U D, Alice Emma Batt, Female, 72 years, of 13 Cliffe Road Strood Rochester U D widow of Thomas Richard Batt Chief P O ?? Stoker RN, Cerebral Haemorrhage certified by N R E Fendall M R C S, S Batt Son 53 Wykeham Street Strood Rochester, Twenty first September 1942, E A Crisp Interim Registrar
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Sorry,passed right over the dates.
It’s not just the birth date that is unusual - there seem to be so many Florence Batts born around the same time.
Have you found what happened to Alice after 1911. If she moved away from the Isle of Wight she may have collected Florence and taken her with her.
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My last post gave the 1939 record.
I agree it's highly unusual. When I found the Young marriage with the same DoB (5 November), I awarded myself the Sherlock Holmes medal ;-)
But then I looked further and found the coincidence, so I had to hand the medal back!
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I was trying to get my head around it.
I wouldthink it very unusual to have two people of the same name having the same birthdate, so, for myself, I would be ensuring I had the documents to prove any theorys.
Have you found the ‘wrong’ one on the 1939 register, as that would give a birthdate.
I’m on my iPad so switching from one site to another few is problematical.
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And this is the family in 1939:
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Henry J Young 23 Sep 1892 Male Railway Guard Married 264 1
Florence H Young 05 Nov 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 264 2
Cicely M Seed (Young) 24 Nov 1921 Female Re ? Waitress Single 264 3
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
The middle initial of Florence has been mis-transcribed, it's M in the image.
Daughter Cicely's birth record:
First name(s) Cicely M
Last name Young
Birth quarter 4
Birth year 1921
Mother's maiden name Batt <<<
District South Stoneham
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2C
Page 196
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England
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No and yes in that order!
I had hoped I'd made it clear that the "wrong" one married Henry Young, and then they were together in C1921 with his mother-in-law Emily, rather than Alice. The "wrong" one's parents being Emily and William Henry.
Here's an extract from the C1921:
Emily Batt Head Female 1852 69 Holwell, Dorset, England Domestic Work -
Florence Young Daughter Female 1892 28 Mottisfont, Hampshire, England Domestic Work -
Henry Young Son-in-law Male 1892 28 Hordle, Hampshire, England Railway Porter L S W Railway, East Leigh
You asked about the death certificate. Were you suspecting a possible mis-transcription?
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Have you got the death certificate for the ‘wrong’ Florence?
Have you researched this ‘wrong’ one to prove they are different people with the same name and birth date ?
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I’d like some help, please, to find the “right” Florence Mary Batt after 1911. This is her birth record:
BATT, FLORENCE MARY TIDY
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 572
Father Thomas Richard Batt
Not to be confused with:
BATT, FLORENCE MARY GREY
GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in ROMSEY Volume 02C Page 82
Father William Henry Batt.
I thought I’d cracked it when I found a marriage for FMB to Henry Young, but the C1921 record shows this FMB with Henry and with his mother-in-law Emily, rather than Alice Emma Batt née Tidy.
In C1901 FMB, her brother Sydney, and mother Betsy were with my grandfather Thomas William Parr. Someone (presumably a cricket enthusiast) had mis-recorded or mis-transcribed their family name as Ball rather than Batt. Alice was my grandmother’s sister.
There are two school admission records for FMB:
Name: Florence Batt
Age: 3
Birth Date: 5 November 1895
Admission Date: 7 Nov 1898
School: Plumstead Road School
Father: Thomas Batt
Notes: Plumstead Road School (0489) opened in 1879. Closed or reorganised in 192-
Name: Florence Batt
Age: 4
Birth Date: 5 Nov 1895
Admission Date: 18 Jun 1900
School: Purrett Road School
Father: Thos Batt
Notes: Purrett Road School (0734) opened in 1888. Renamed Gallions Mount School (See Separate List) in 1951
Both of which show her DoB as 5 November 1895 and her father as Thomas so I think I can be fairly sure this is the “right” FMB.
In 1911 Alice Emma Batt was a servant in the IoW. Her son Sidney was in an orphan’s home in Farningham, and who I believe to be her daughter FMB was also in an orphan’s home in Southsea. Her DoB was given as 1897. Their father, Thomas Richard Batt, died in 1902, so I wonder why they were in schools for orphans already in 1898. I suspect that the family had broken up earlier which might explain why they were with my grandparents in 1901.
The death record for the “wrong” FMB:
Name: Florence Mary Young
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 5 Nov 1892
Registration Date: Jul 1976
[Aug 1976]
[Sep 1976]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Reading and Wokingham
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 19
Page: 0159
shows her DoB as 5 November 1892.
It’s quite a coincidence to have two people with exactly the same name and exactly the same DoB, but coincidence it is.
So, what happened to the “right” FMB after C1911?
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