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Susan what exactly are you still looking for, can you please ask Alan what it is he needs to know :-)
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You have posted the man’s date of birth AGAIN
You have used these boards enough to know that this is not allowed
You keep repeating what other people have found for you as though it’s your discovery, which simply isn’t accurate
Please read all of the posts people have taken the trouble to put on here for you
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Some of this already posted. Just trying to get it straight in my head - far too late at night.
Re Sarah Ann Tubbs in 1911 - she's listed as "single".
Frederick John Fisher is wrongly listed as her son-in-law, and Emily Fisher as her daughter (image said "daughter-in-law" originally, then "in-law" was scored out.)
Ida Kathleen Fisher is also wrongly listed as her daughter.
In fact, Ida and Emily are Sarah's nieces, as they are the children of Sarah's sister Gertrude.
:FISHER, IDA KATHLEEN mms TUBB
GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 103
Ida is at St Johns Training School in 1901:
Ida Fisher
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Ida Fisher
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Girl
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Winchester, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Paddington
Sub-registration district: St Mary, Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors:
Piece: 9
Folio: 118
Page Number: 57
Household schedule number: 398
She's with her parents Gertrude (not Sarah Tubbs) and Fred in 1891 :
Ida K Fisher
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Ida K Fisher
Gender: Female
Age: 1
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1890
Father: Fred Fisher
Mother: Gertrude Fisher
Birth Place: Winchester, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: St Faith
Residence Place: Winchester, St Faith, Hampshire, England
Sub Registration District: Winchester
ED, Institution or Vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 936
Folio: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred Fisher 37
Gertrude Fisher 31
Frederick J Fisher 6
Francis H Fisher 3
Ida K Fisher 1
Mary Lord 36
Ida Kathleen Fisher
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Ida Kathleen Fisher
Baptism Age: 23
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 10 Mar 1892
Baptism Date: 30 Mar 1915
Baptism Place: St Paul, Enfield, England
Father: Frederick Thomas Fisher
Mother: Gertrude Elizabeth Fisher
Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
FISHER Fred Kensington 1a 101
Tubb Gertrude Elizabeth Kensington 1a 101
Gertrude is widowed by 1901:
Gertrude Fisher
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Gertrude Fisher
[Gertrude Tubb]
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Henry Tubb
Birth Place: Broughton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Houghton
Ecclesiastical parish: Houghton All Saints
Town: Houghton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Stockbridge
Sub-registration district: Stockbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 1079
Folio: 50
Page Number: 8
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Tubb 79
Sarah A Tubb 48 - daughter, single
Gertrude Fisher 41 - daughter, widowed
France [Francis ] Fisher 13
Thomas Fisher 8
Dorothy [Dorothea ]Fisher 6
In 1911 she's working for the Hunt family, while her younger children are with her sister Sarah:
Gertrude E Fisher
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Gertrude E Fisher
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Mother's Help (Help)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Broughton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Broughton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: Rrake [ Roake ] Farm, Broughton, Stockbridge, Hants
Marital status: Widowed
Registration district: Stockbridge
Registration District Number: 102
Sub-registration district: Broughton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 42
Piece: 6091
Gertrude Elizth. Tubb
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Gertrude Elizth. Tubb
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Henry Tubb
Mother: Eliza Ann Tubb
Gender: Female
Where born: Broughton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Houghton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: Main Road
Occupation: Dressmaker
Registration district: Stockbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 1228
Folio: 65
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Tubb 60
Eliza Ann Tubb 62
Sarah Ann Tubb 27
Gertrude Elizth. Tubb 21
In 1911 (with Sarah A Tubbs) Edith is wrongly listed as Sarah's grand-daughter on the image. Ancestry's transcription says "niece", which turns out to be nearer the truth, as Edith is Sarah's great-niece.
FISHER, EDITH EMILY mms WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 275
Parents' marriage;
Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
FISHER Frederick John Hendon 3a 486
WILLIAMS Emily Hendon 3a 486
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There is a Grant and Will for Frederick John Fisher died 22/11/2017. A copy of this may give you information - a lead depending what it is you wish to find, assuming it is your Frederick John Fisher. Not sure what you are seeking from your request.
Ru
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Susan
PLEASE remove Alan's date of birth or your post may be reported
Just click on EDIT above your post and delete the date.
What are you trying to achieve with this request?
You have posted it on Find Living Relatives - is Alan looking for contact with extended family?
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Susan the Tubb connection is not his grandmother , she would be the GREAT grandmother.
As said Alan would need to confirm with the right certs.
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If the above are all correct then this is the marriage of Fred Fisher and Gertrude Tubb
(image available on Ancestry)
View London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Gertrude Elizabeth Tubb
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1858
Marriage Date: 14 May 1884
Marriage Place: St Mark, Notting Hill, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Henry Thomas Tubb
Spouse: Fred Fisher
Register Type: Parish Register
from the image -
Fred 32, Bachelor and a Blacksmith, Father Thomas Fisher a Stone Mason
Gertrude Elizabeth 26 Spinster, Father Henry Thomas Tubb a Gardener
Both of 167 Clarendon Road at time of marriage.
Witnesses - Charles Tubb and Eliza Fisher
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And then Frederick b c1885 to this family -
So 1891 has been mistranscribed it is Frederick J on image
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
South View, St Faith, Winchester, Hampshire, England
Fred Fisher Head Married Male 37 1854 Soldier ? Brigade London, Middlesex, England
Gertrude Fisher Wife Married Female 31 1860 - Hampshire, England
Frederick F Fisher Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Hampshire, England 99%)
That ? for occupation is the Rifle Brigade
FISHER Fred Kensington 1a 101
Tubb Gertrude Elizabeth Kensington 1a 101
which takes you back to Alan's great grandfather b c1854
you will need birth certificates to confirm parents names and marriage certs to confirm marriage and give you a Father's name and occupation
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she linked the 1920 birth to this family
1911 Census For England & Wales
Houghton, Hampshire, England
Sarah Ann Tubbs Head Single Female 53 1858 None Broughton Hants
Frederick John Fisher Son In Law Married Male 26 1885 Shunter Winchester Hants
Emily Fisher Daughter In Law Married Female 24 1887 - London Middlesex
Ida Kathleen Fisher Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Domestic Servant Winchester Hants
Edith Fisher Granddaughter - Female 1 1910 - Hendon Middlesex
and said - there is another Frederick J possibly born to the above couple in 1920.
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Edith Emily's birth shows mmn Williams
FISHER, EDITH EMILY WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 275
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Rambling posted the marriage of Frederick J Fisher to Ellen J Day earlier (1942 not 1952) -
Marriage of Alan's parents probably.
Marriages Jun 1942 (>99%)
Day Ellen J Fisher Romford 4a 1492
Fisher Frederick J Day Romford 4a 1492
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Possible birth of Frederick John Fisher - also posted by Rambling earlier
(Pancras RD covered Camden)
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
Fisher Frederick J Williams Pancras 1b 346
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Alans mum and dad married 03 05 1942
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just found out Aland dad was born 17 03 1920 his wife Alans mother was Ellen Jenny day the grandmother was not tubb Williams thank you for all your help
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So that seems correct though Alan would need to buy certs to confirm.
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Marriage of Alan's parents probably.
Marriages Jun 1942 (>99%)
Day Ellen J Fisher Romford 4a 1492
Fisher Frederick J Day Romford 4a 1492
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Marriage of Alan's parents probably.
Marriages Jun 1942 (>99%)
Day Ellen J Fisher Romford 4a 1492
Fisher Frederick J Day Romford 4a 1492
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This is the birth I assumed was to Frederick John and Emily, the birth cert would confirm or eliminate whether it's the right one.
Births Mar 1920 (>99%)
Fisher Frederick J Williams Pancras 1b 346
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hi all I know is dad born in London poss Camden died 2017 Frederick John fisher dob 17/03/1920 or 30 grandad born in Hampshire died in south ockendon Frederick John fisher married a tubb my friend is Alan Fisher born in Hainault
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Frederick J and Emily are in Essex on the 1939 , with 2 closed records
Can't help without more info there is another Frederick J possibly born to the above couple in 1920.
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1911 Census For England & Wales
Houghton, Hampshire, England
Sarah Ann Tubbs Head Single Female 53 1858 None Broughton Hants
Frederick John Fisher Son In Law Married Male 26 1885 Shunter Winchester Hants
Emily Fisher Daughter In Law Married Female 24 1887 - London Middlesex
Ida Kathleen Fisher Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Domestic Servant Winchester Hants
Edith Fisher Granddaughter - Female 1 1910 - Hendon Middlesex
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