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In the 1841 census John Frudd aged 90 was living with Luke and Elizabeth (nee Frudd) Dawson in Barugh, Yorkshire. As Elizabeth was only 25(ish) I'm not sure if John was her father or grandfather. John Frudd died 26 July 1842 aged 90. Does anyone have these Frudds in their tree?

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Name: John Frudd
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Male
Age: 90
Birthplace: Yorkshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Ecclesfield
Sub-District: Cawthorne
Parish: Darton
County: Yorkshire

Thanks Patchem, I've now sent off a message to someone with John in their tree. I haven't put him on mine yet as I'm still trying to find the connection.

Just putting that 1841 census for reference (ancestry version)

1841 England Census
Luke Dewson [Luke Dawson] Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Darton Hundred: Staincross
County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration District: Ecclesfield Sub-registration District: Cawthorne
Piece: 1323 Book: 5 Folio: 10 Page Number: 12
Luke Dewson 30 labourer
Elizabeth Dewson 25
Ann Dewson 8
Mary Dewson 5
Henry Dewson 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1323; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Darton; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 10; Folio: 10; Page: 12; Line: 19; GSU roll: 464274.

According to a tree on Ancest** Elizabeth's mother was Ann Frudd 1787 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England

No husband named just Frudd.

Elizabeth's marriage to Luke.



Marriage to Luke Dawson
1831 6 Feb Age: 25
Emley yorks

mother: Ann Frudd
Name Elizabeth Frudd
Gender Female
Christening Date 18 May 1806
Christening Place EMLEY,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Ann Frudd*********
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) Number P00760-1
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 0844557, 0599995
Reference ID

Looks like Ann may not have been married as on a christening it is usually the fathers name and mothers first name.

Thanks Mel, this is why I am confused. If she was christened in 1806 all the ages she gave in the census 1841 through to 1891 were 10 years out! and she should have been born 1815/6. If she married Luke in Feb 1831 then her census ages meant she was only 15 when she married.

I think you could get married at 15 but not sure if it was around 1831 though. You could get married at the age of 12 at one time.

Marriages before 1837 never seem to have the fathers names on them so the marriage cert would'nt help in that score.

Thanks for your help. I have to go away from the computer till tomorrow

And don't forget people in those days did'nt keep their birthdays like we do today. Most of them could'nt read or write and would just say a year out of the top of their heads.

John Frudd was a separate entry

1841

John Frudd

Age:90
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1751
Where born:Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish:Darton
Hundred:Staincross
County/Island:Yorkshire

Street Address:
Registration District:Ecclesfield
Sub-registration District:Cawthorne



John Frudd 90 - Independent - born Yorkshire

Another possibility is that the Elizabeth Frudd born 1806 died and then the same name was given to a daughter born later.

According to those trees, John had a daughter Elisabeth but she died as a child


Elisabeth Frudd
Birth 25 Dec 1782 in Emley, Yorkshire, England.
Death 14 Jan 1785


Perhaps the 25 yr old Elizabeth in 1841 census is a granddaughter named after the dead infant.

Thanks Mike

If Elizabeth had been born in 1806, she would have been 52 when she had Walter. Not impossible, but very unlikely.

Luke Dawson and Elizabeth frudd are my 4xgreat grand parents following the line of their son Henry his son Allen then on to Richard Dawson and on to my grand mother Margaret Dawson (married name Taylor) I appear to have hit a brick wall though in getting any further with the parents or siblings of Luke the trail just seems to dry up. I shall keep plodding on though till I succeed.

Welcome to the boards, Simon.

Kevin isn't likely to be looking here for replies now - he started this thread in 2014.

You can try contacting him privately - just click on his name at the top of his post, and GR will send him an email to let him know he has a message from you - that's if he's still using the email address he registered with GR.

In the meantime I'll see if I can find anything about Luke's parents and siblings, and I'm sure other helpers will try too.

From the previous posts, we know he married in Emley.

1861 census says he was also born there:

Luke Dawson
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Luke Dawson
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Dawson
Gender: Male
Where born: Emley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Dodworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Dodworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Barnsley
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 33
Piece: 3448
Folio: 71
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Luke Dawson 53
Elizabeth Dawson 45
Matthew Dawson 18
Elizabeth Dawson 15
Luke Dawson 13
John Dawson 8
Walter Dawson 3

His YOB varies from 1807 to 1811, depending on which census you look at.