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My great,great grandfather George Turnbull lived for most of his life in Inverness-shire in the farming industry. He married Janet Leslie with whom he had ten offsprings. I believe that he was born in Roxburghshire (1861 census says Cavers) but others say Inverness-shire and Sutherland. Can anyone throw any light on him prior to 1841 and/or his direct ancestors as I have nothing of prior to that time.

Thanking anyone in anticipation

Ian

Have you looked at familysearch for possible baptism?

His parents should be named on his death cert

Where in Roxburghshire is Cavers?

First name(s) George
Last name Turnbull
Gender Male
Birth year 1808
Birth place ANCRUM, ROXBURGH, SCOTLAND
Baptism year -
Baptism date -
Baptism place -
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Turnbull
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Place Ancrum
County Roxburghshire
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950

OR

First name(s) George
Last name Turnbull
Gender Male
Birth year 1809
Birth place Wilton, Roxburgh, Scotland
Baptism year -
Baptism date -
Baptism place WILTON, ROXBURGH, SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Turnbull
Mother's first name(s) Isabel
Mother's last name Young
Residence Wilton, Roxburgh, Scotland
Place Wilton
County Roxburghshire
Country Scotland

First name(s) George
Last name Turnbull
Gender Male
Birth year 1810
Birth place -
Baptism year 1810
Baptism date 29 May 1810
Baptism place HOBKIRK, ROXBURGH, SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) George
Father's last name Turnbull
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Mother's last name Scott
Residence Hobkirk, Roxburgh, Scotland
Place Hobkirk
County Roxburghshire
Country Scotland


OR

First name(s) George
Last name Turnbull
Gender Male
Birth year 1810
Birth place -
Baptism year 1810
Baptism date 06 Feb 1810
Baptism place LAIRG,SUTHERLAND,SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) Wm.
Father's last name Turnbull
Mother's first name(s) Nelly
Mother's last name Robson
Place Lairg
County Sutherland

In view of the number of possibilities above, you definitely need the death cert I would say

This could rule out the 1809 baptism

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Appletree Hall, Wilton, Hawick, Roxburghshire, Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Turnbull Head Unmarried Male 41 1810 Carpenter Employing 1 Man Ap Wilton, Roxburghshire, Scotland Transcription
Elizabeth Turnbull Sister Unmarried Female 36 1815 - Wilton, Roxburghshire, Scotland Transcription
John Turnbull Nephew Unmarried Male 9 1842 Scholar Wilton, Roxburghshire, Scotland

A tree on Ancestry has 13 children listed also a photo of George and another one of George & Janet. Unfortunately it doesn't have parents of George. It does however have Janet's parents as Simon Leslie & Isabel Grant.

1841 simply says Scotland as his birthplace

Have you seen the image of 1851?

It looks to me as though the wife's birthplace has been incorrectly assigned to George by the transcriber. 1861 clearly says she was born in Kingussie.................not Alvie, which is where the children were born

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Belleville, Alire, Badenoch, Invernessshire, Scotland


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Turnbull Head Married Male 42 1809 Farm Servant Kingussie, Invernessshire, Scotland Transcription
Janet Leslie Wife Married Female 40 1811 - Alvie, Invernessshire, Scotland Transcription
Betty Turnbull Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1838 - Alvie, Invernessshire, Scotland Transcription
Ann Turnbull Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1844 - Alvie, Invernessshire, Scotland Transcription
Mary Turnbull Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1847 - Alvie, Invernessshire, Scotland Transcription
George Turnbull Son Unmarried Male 2 1849 - Alvie, Invernessshire, Scotland Transcription
Janet Turnbull Daughter Unmarried Female 0 1851 - Alvie, Invernessshire, Scotland Transcription

Hello Ian and welcome to the Community boards.




(I'll let Ian know how to find his replies) :-)

Don't tell him to go to "My Threads" Cynthia, it doesn't work today. Not for me anyway.

'My threads' is working OK

Thanks to those who answered my call for help. Sorry but I am at it again.
1. Suggestion to look at certificates. Scotland's People only publish births after 1854 and deaths before 1855. genes and ancestry don't do Scottish B,M,Ds at all. Does anyone know of other sites that provide such info for Scotland?

2. Cavers is listed on Scotland's People in the regions of Roxburghshire.

3. The suggestion of George being the child of William and Isabella seems quite likely as both of those names cascade through the generations , Similarly the names of William and Isabella's other off springs appear in all the following generations.

4. It would be "great" if that William was George's father as I can trace that ancestry to a Sir John Turnbull and Lady Alice Brogan. (c. 1640). Which would be the nearest I am likely to get to aristocracy.

Again thanks for your contributions.

Ian

A blast from the past. Two years since I posted my query. Thanks to all who gave some answers. I have recently "proved" that my ancestor George Turnbull was the son of William Turnbull and Isabella Young. Jacqueline gave these names as one of the alternatives to investigate. Many thanks to her and if she reads this, can she say where she obtained the information from.

Ian

If it's any help Ian, this is on FindMyPast. I would imagine that it will also be available on Scotlandspeople as I think that's where Familysearch got the record collection from. If it is you will probably be able to find christenings for his siblings there.



Scotland Births and Baptisms 1564-1950 Transcription
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First name(s) George
Last name Turnbull
Gender Male
Birth year 1809
Birth place Wilton, Roxburgh, Scotland
Baptism year -
Baptism date -
Baptism place WILTON, ROXBURGH, SCOTLAND
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Turnbull
Mother's first name(s) Isabel
Mother's last name Young
Residence Wilton, Roxburgh, Scotland
Place Wilton
County Roxburghshire
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Births & Baptisms 1564-1950
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

The records can be found for free in the Mormon genealogy site - a good one to have in your favourites

https://familysearch.org

You'll also find them on the Scotland's People website - register to join, initial search for free.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

The result of a search for the George you have actually identified as yours would show the following -

Surname TURNBULL
Forename GEORGE
Parents/ Other Details WILLIAM TURNBULL/ISABEL YOUNG FR679 CHILD 3 (FR679)
Age 0
Date 22/10/1809
Parish Number 810/
Ref 30 66
Parish Wilton

You buy credits - £7.50 I think now for 30 credits. 6 credits lets you look at the more detailed record which can then be downloaded. The baptism above is from Old Parish Registers so may not tell you much more if you look at the image, but post registration documents show much more than an English certificate for around £1.50

Thank you "rootgatherer" and "greyghost".

I do subscribe to Scotland's People but will try the Morman website.

Again thanks

Ian

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Croft Carnach, Alvie, Invernessshire, Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
George Turnbull Male 30 1811 Scotland
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Janet Turnbull Female 25 1816 Invernessshire, Scotland
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William Turnbull Male 10 1831 Invernessshire, Scotland
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James Turnbull Male 8 1833 Invernessshire, Scotland
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Isabell Turnbull Female 6 1835 Invernessshire, Scotland
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Elisabeth Turnbull Female 4 1837 Invernessshire, Scotland
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Simon Turnbull Male 1 1840 Invernessshire, Scotland

NAME DOD DOB SPOUSE FATHER MOTHER CEMY NO.

Leslie Simon 1862 * * * * Rothiemurchus 112
Leslie Duncan 1873 * * Leslie Simon * Rothiemurchus 112

Simon and one son at least, are buried in Rothiemurchus, which is a couple of miles from where I live. :-)

Oh, to be taking a walk around Loch an Eilein or to Lochan Deo and beyond. Had some lovely holidays based in Aviemore - makes a change from the flat Hampshire coastline. You're very lucky Alviegal.