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Please can anyone find this family on the 1861 census

Isaac Bull in the 1851 England Census
Name:Isaac Bull
Age:35
Estimated birth year:abt 1816
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Sarah Bull
Gender:Male
Where born: Isle of Wight
Civil Parish: Southampton St Mary

Town:Southampton
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England


Registration district:Southampton
Sub-registration district:Southampton

Household Members:

Isaac Bull 35 Occupation Labourer
Sarah Bull 32
William Bull 11
John Bull 5
Isaac Bull 3
Alfred Bull 1

Wife and children all born Southampton

Marriages Jun 1840
LIGHT Sarah Southampton 7 241
BULL Isaac Southampton 7 241

could sarah have died and Isaac could have married again


Deaths Sep 1858 (>99%)

Bull Sarah I. Wight 2b 294

Sarah Light
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


birth:

16 March 1819



christening:

21 April 1819

INDEPENDENT, CHRISTCHURCH, HAMPSHIRE, ENGLAND


father:

John Light


mother:

Lydia Parsons

could this be issac

Isaac Bull
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name Isaac Bull
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1879
Registration District Isle Of Wight
County Hampshire
Event Place Isle Of Wight, Hampshire, England
Age (available after 1866) 64
Birth Year (Estimated) 1815
Volume 2B
Page 369
Line Number 85

alfred in 1891
1891 England Census
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Name Alfred Bull
Age 40
Estimated Birth Year abt 1851
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Bull
Gender Male
Where born Southampton
Civil parish All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish All Saints
Town Southampton
County/Island Hampshire
Country England
Registration district Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel 29
Piece 917
Folio 95
Page number 12
Household Members
Name Age
Alfred Bull 40
Elizabeth Bull 37
Jane Bull 14
Ethel Bull 13
Beatrice Bull 7
Elvena Bull 3
Edward Adams 30

1871
Name: Alfred Bull
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Bull
Gender: Male
Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: St Michael
Town: Southampton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Household schedule number: 65
Piece: 1194
Folio: 52
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Bull 20
Elizabeth Bull 17

Hi Maddie

I did notice that death but wondered where Isaac might be on the 1861 and 1871 census.

can't see anyof them on 1861 census

Name: John Bull
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Registration Year: 1868
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 22
Registration district: Southampton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 11

I have a marriage for an Elizabeth Bull

Elizabeth Bull in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Elizabeth Bull
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Birth Date: 1851
Marriage Date: 23 May 1874
Marriage Place: Southampton, Hampshire, England
Father: Isaac Bull
Spouse: William Joseph Grist

And a baptism

Elizabeth Bull in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Elizabeth Bull
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 16 Sep 1854
Baptism Place: St Mary's, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Father: Isaac Bull
Mother: Sarah

I have been trying to find Elizabeth in the census records with parents Isaac and Sarah

clutching at straws

Iseok Bull
New York Passenger Lists
Name Iseok Bull
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1869
Event Place New York City, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 22
Birth Year (Estimated) 1847
Birthplace England
Ship Name City Of Washington
Citing this Record

"New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1891," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK9Q-77K7 : 16 April 2015), Iseok Bull, 1869; citing NARA microfilm publication M237 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm .

Thank you very much for looking Maddie.

I have tried every way I can think of but I just can't find that 1861 census.

could be Isaac and sarah had died in the 1850's so would not be on the 1861 census

Death Record
1858 BULL Sarah 78 years Cowes

Death Record
1879 BULL Isaac 64 years Newport

(above for Deaths posted, from below, useful IOW)

http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/index.php

Chris :)


edits (if relating anywhere!)

26 September 1857 - Hampshire Advertiser - Southampton, Hampshire

Death
On the 18th instant, at the Back of the Walls Southampton. Sarah, wife of Mr. Isaac Bull, aged 39.


Deaths Sep 1857 (>99%)
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Bull Sarah Southampton 2c 34

There are various deaths between 1851 and 1861 which could be Sarah and Isaac, which could account for them not being on later censuses. Impossible to know without seeing the certs.

Deaths Mar 1852 (>99%)
Bull Sarah Southampton 2c 14

Deaths Mar 1854 (>99%)
Bull Male Southampton 2c 19

Deaths Sep 1857 (>99%)
Bull Sarah Southampton 2c 34

Deaths Mar 1853 (>99%)
Bull Isaac Droxford 2c 84

Deaths Mar 1855 (>99%)
Bull Isaac I Wight 2b 385

Deaths Dec 1857 (>99%)
Bull Sarah Romsey 2c 43

Deaths Jun 1860 (>99%)
Bull Sarah S Stoneham 2c 26
BULL Sarah S Stoneham 2c 36


Also several possible John Bull deaths 1851-61.

Hi Chis Ho and ArgyllGran

Thank you both for posting.

Chris Ho, in the 1851 census, the family were in the civil parish of St Mary's, Southampton. I know that "Back Of The Walls Southampton" was, and still is, in St Mary's.

So I do believe the death you posted for Sarah in 1857 Southampton is spot on!

Brilliant.

Did look at address 1861, but not seeing Isaac...

(see Mary Jane Wright 1844 Southampton, if you want to take a look)

Chris :)

There's an article in the Hampshire Advertiser - Saturday 15 January 1859 of a Isaac Bull charged with neglecting his three children. The children were sent to the poor house.

Shocking Destitution:
A most shocking case of destitution in a family brought on by the drunken conduct of the father came under the notice of the borough magistrates...The defendant was Isaac Bull a coal runner living in the Ditches...
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There are also several articles relating to Isaac Bull (which I think relate to Isaac Bull's son) from 1858- 1861 regarding offences of begging, theft etc.

So I suspect the children were in the poorhouse or prison in 1861.

Hi Austin

I was thinking that the children were probably in the poorhouse, but I certainly wasn't expecting that!

How terribly sad.

No wonder poor young Isaac had to resort to begging and theft.

I have tried looking for the children by just using their initials but not had any luck.

I wonder if this is Elizabeth

??

Res: Southampton Borough Jail

E B in the 1871 England Census
Name: E B
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Southampton
Sub-registration district: Southampton

E B 20 Prisoner General Servant

I have to go out but another possible child cropped up-:

Name Sarah Bull
Gender Female
Christening Date 25 Feb 1852
Christening Place St. Marys, Southampton, Hampshire, England
Father's Name Isaac Bull
Mother's Name Sarah Bull