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Looking for William Gwatkin (aka Watkin)

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mgnv

mgnv Report 28 Jul 2016 07:32

I'm loking for this guy:
Births Jun 1875 (>99%)
Watkin William Wigan 8c 3

He's with his family in 1881, but missing thereafter.
I think this is his death:
Deaths Mar 1918 (>99%)
Gwatkin William 42 Lancaster 8e 974


1881 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKXF-J91X
Event Place Standish With Langtree, Lancashire, England
Residence Note Whitelake Row
Edward Gwatkin Head M 27 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner
Elizabeth Gwatkin Wife F 27 Wigan, Lancashire, England
Mary Gwatkin Daughter F 7 Standish, Lancashire, England
William Gwatkin Son M 5 Standish, Lancashire, England
Annie Gwatkin Daughter F 3 Standish, Lancashire, England
Thomas Gwatkin Son M 1 Standish, Lancashire, England
Ann Clark Boarder F 59 Ashton, Lancashire, England

1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:77BZ-XMM
Parish Standish With Langtree
Ecclesiastical Parish ST ANNE SHEVINGTON
Residence Note Top Row
Registration Number RG12 Piece/Folio 3045/ 85 Page Number 11
Thomas Taylor Head M 26 Lancashire, England Collier
Elizabeth Taylor Wife F 38 Lancashire, England
Mary Gwatkin Daughter F 18 Lancashire, England Spinner
Fanny Gwatkin Daughter F 14 Lancashire, England Spinner
Thomas Gwatkin Son M 12 Lancashire, England
Ann Gwatkin Daughter F 10 Lancashire, England
John Gwatkin Son M 5 Lancashire, England

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I do have possible hits in 1891 and 1911
I'ld be grateful if someone could provide further details of these censuses, especially what sort of institution he was in and his 1891 birthplace
Also, any help with 1901 would be welcome.

1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q1KT-8N2
Name William Gwatkin
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Lancashire
Parish Lancaster
Ecclesiastical Parish CHRISTCHURCH
Registration District Lancaster
Gender Male
Age 16
Marital Status Single
Relationship to Head of Household Patient
Birth Year (Estimated) 1875
Birthplace Lancashire, England
Page Number 33
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 3468/ 81


1911 Ancestry
Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birth Place Relation Residence
W G abt 1875 Wigan, Lancashire, England Patient Lancaster, Lancashire

FMP
First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place Registration district Parish County
W G 1875 Lancs Wigan Lancaster Lancaster Lancashire

Ancestry treats W G as his forename - FMP treats W as his forename and G as his surname
I looked in piece 255555 (which is the institutions piece for Lancaster).

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Footnote
As a surname, Gwatkin roughly means Walter's kin.
At this point, I realized I'd no idea what kith meant.
Well, it means friends, but it's obsolete except for the phrase "kith and kin".

Gee

Gee Report 28 Jul 2016 08:13

The 1891 census he was born in Wigan and is listed as an 'idiot' (all others on the page are listed as lunatic) so I think it would be a mental asylum. 'None' listed as his profession

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Jul 2016 08:16

The County Lunatic Asylum on Lancaster Moor, opened in 1816 and since enlarged, is a stately quadrangular building of stone, with a handsome front, relieved by pillars of the Doric order, and will hold 1,200 patients. The annexe, completed in 1882 at a cost of 125,000, occupies a site comprising an area of about 41 acres. The buildings are constructed of stone; in the centre of the block over the main entrance is a clock tower about 100 feet in height, and there are smaller ones at the front, extremity of each wing: the building also includes a fine dining hall 120 feet long by 60 feet wide and 60 feet high: this annexe provides additional space for about 900 patients: David Mackay Cassidy M.D., D.Sc., L.R.C.P. & F.R.O.S. Edin. Medical superintendent; Thomas Philip Cowen M.D

http://forebears.co.uk/england/lancashire

(For 1911 Census, Name of Asylum must have been above, as Thomas Philip Cowen was 'Assistant Medical Officer' going back quite a few pages to see!)

WG. Single. Personal Occupation Column, (just a dash) Infirmity Column. Idiot 3yrs

Chris :)

edits (and of course you don't need me to refer you to below, lol)

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php


Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1918

GWATKIN William 42 Lancaster Preston LAN/105/76


(For 1901, if any help, according to above (Wigan/Leigh Registers) could be more Taylor Births perhaps? (Mother Maiden Name Roscoe)

1893 Richard Taylor
1897 Thomas Taylor
1901 Mary Taylor
1901 Ada annie Taylor 1901


(and Daughter Fanny below, from 1891 above)

Marriage: 5 Aug 1899 St Andrew, Wigan, Lancs.
Edward Ellison - 19 Dataller Bachelor of 360 Woodhouse Lane
Fanny Gwatkin - 22 Spinner Spinster of Beech Hill Lane
Groom's Father: John Ellison, Fireman
Bride's Father: Edward Gwatkin, (dec'd), Contractor
Witness: Thomas Gwathin; Elizabeth Ellen Ellison
Married by Banns by: W.A.Wickham Vicar
Register: Marriages 1883 - 1917, Page 57, Entry 113
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives


1901 (Find My Past)
Thomas Taylor Head Married Male 35 1866 Coal Miner Hewer Standish, Lancashire, England
Elizth Taylor Wife Married Female 48 1853 - Wigan, Lancashire, England
Edith A Taylor Daughter Single Female 10 1891 - Standish, Lancashire, England
Thomas Gwatkin Son Single Male 21 1880 Colliery Labourer Below Ground Standish, Lancashire, England
Ann Gwatkin Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Cotton Weaver Standish, Lancashire, England
John Gwatkin Son Single Male 15 1886 Colliery Labourer Below Ground Hindley, Lancashire, England
Annie MacNally Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Cotton Weaver Stockport, Lancashire, England
Robert Thompson Son Single Male 16 1885 Colliery Labourer Below Ground Farnworth, Lancashire, England
Street Beech Hill Lane
Parish Wigan
County Lancashire
Municipal ward No 8 or St Andrew
Registration district Wigan
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 3557
Folio 92
Page 40

(no help with William though)


1901 (Find My Past)
First name(s)Thomas Philip
Last name Cowen
Relationship Medical Officer
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 33
Town Prestwich
Parish Prestwich
County Lancashire
Municipal ward Prestwich North
Registration district Prestwich
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 3779
Folio 124
Page 1

(seems to be in Asylum?)

Prestwich according to below...

04 January 1902 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser

LUNACY IN LANCASHIRE.
Dr. Thomas Philip Cowen, third assistant medical officer, Prestwich Asylum;

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Jul 2016 08:53

it may help to get his death cert to see his address and the informant

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 Jul 2016 11:38

is this your William's baptism?

Baptism: 14 Feb 1876 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Watkin - [Child] of Edward Watkin & Elizabeth
Born: 1 Apr 1875
Abode: Lower Ground
Occupation: Collier