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15 Aug 2016 21:53 |
Thank you AustinQ - she didn't let the grass grow under her feet did she? Must have been quite a woman.... :-D
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15 Aug 2016 15:28 |
Wow! David's sister marries for a third time!
First name(s) Mary Adelaide Last name Newland Age 42 Marriage year 1921 Marriage date 16 Apr 1921 Marriage place Brixton Father's first name(s) John William Father's last name Spink Spouse's first name(s) Henry Charles Spouse's last name Harris Spouse's father's first name(s) William Spouse's father's last name Harris Residence Brixton, Surrey, England County Surrey
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Cynthia
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15 Aug 2016 13:56 |
Thank you for all that......please don't worry if things are rehashed or repeated - I just appreciate everyone's efforts.
There is definitely some information there that I haven't seen - so I am very grateful :-D
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Chris Ho :)
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15 Aug 2016 13:42 |
(going back to 1878 Marriage posted by safc, below looks to be her, not sure if already added!)
(just adding, grass cutting break!)
Chris :)
Baptism County Staffordshire Place Walsall Church name St John Register type Unspecified Register entry number 118 Baptism date 21 Mar 1860 Person forename Sarah Elizabeth Person sex F Person abode Pleck, Walsall Father forename George Father surname PREECE Father occupation Miner Mother forename Jane
(also, and possibly more using Soundex)
Baptism County Staffordshire Place Pleck Church name St John Register type Unspecified Register entry number 119 Baptism date 21 Mar 1860 Person forename Charles Person sex M Person abode Pleck, Walsall Father forename George Father surname PREECE Father occupation Miner Mother forename Jane
Baptism County Staffordshire Place Pleck Church name St John Register type Unspecified Register entry number 466 Baptism date 29 May 1864 Person forename Ann Maria Person sex F Person abode Millington Yard, The Pleck, Walsall Father forename George Father surname PREACE Father occupation Miner Mother forename Jane
http://www.freereg.org.uk/
1861 (Find My Past) George Preast Head Married Male 25 1836 Ironstone Miner Great Barr, Staffordshire, England Jane Preast Wife Married Female 24 1837 Screw Maker Leicestershire, England Charles Preast Son - Male 12 1849 Scholar Pleck, Leicestershire, England Sarah Preast Daughter - Female 2 1859 Scholar Pleck, Leicestershire, England Jane Preast Sister Unmarried Female 18 1843 - Pleck, Leicestershire, England Street Old Queens Head Parish Walsall County Staffordshire Municipal ward Walsall Parliamentary borough Walsall Ecclesiastical district St Johns Registration district Walsall Archive reference RG09 Piece number 2014 Folio number 84 Page number 5
(3 children Births, Staffs. Pleck on image!)
1871 (Find My Past) George Priest Head - Male 39 1832 Miner - Staffordshire, England Jane Priest Wife - Female 38 1833 - Staffordshire, England James Priest Son - Male 14 1857 - Staffordshire, England Sarah Priest Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Staffordshire, England Charles Priest Son - Male 10 1861 - Staffordshire, England Ann M Priest Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Staffordshire, England Mary A Priest Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Staffordshire, England George Priest Son - Male 3 1868 - Staffordshire, England William Priest Son - Male 0 1871 - Staffordshire, England Street Pleck Parish Walsall Town Walsall City Walsall County Staffordshire Registration district Walsall Archive reference RG10 Piece number 2961 Folio 129 Page 18
1881 (Find My Past) George Priest Head Married Male 43 1838 Miner Coal Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Jane Priest Wife Married Female 44 1837 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England Mary A Priest Daughter Single Female 15 1866 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England George Priest Son Single Male 13 1868 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England William Priest Son Single Male 10 1871 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Joseph Priest Son Single Male 8 1873 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Fredrick Priest Son Single Male 3 1878 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Street Horse Shoe Lane Parish Walsall Foreign County Staffordshire Registration district Walsall Archive reference RG11 Piece number 2823 Folio 149 Page 44
(possible below)
Marriages Jun 1859 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------- Gasby Jane Walsall 6b 741 Preece George Walsall 6b 741
County Staffordshire Place Walsall Church name St Matthew Register type Unspecified Register entry number 383 Marriage date 13 Jun 1859 Groom forename George Groom surname PREECE Groom age 23 Groom condition bachelor Groom abode Pleck Groom occupation Miner Bride forename Jane Bride surname GASBY Bride age 22 Bride condition spinster Bride abode Pleck Groom father forename George Groom father surname PREECE Groom father occupation Miner Bride father forename William Bride father surname GASBY Bride father occupation Miner Witness Mark ASH Witness Jane PREECE Register note Groom, Bride & Witness 2 sign X
(somebody had relating I think on below, and bring that MC one here also!!)
http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1331921?d=desc
(quick snippet, but probably more under surname variants, lol)
24 April 1858 - Staffordshire Advertiser - Stafford, Staffordshire, England
LEEK PETTY SESSIONS.—ApriI 14. Before S. Stephens and J. Shannon. Esqrs.) Assault at Beerhouse. —George Preece and Joseph Southwell were charged Wm. Webster with having assaulted him at the Rose and Thistle beerhouse, Pleck, on Monday night. It appeared that drunken row had taken place ...”
Edits (below with Sarah)
County Staffordshire Place Walsall Church name St George Register type Unspecified Register entry number 77 Marriage date 10 Sep 1883 Groom forename Denis Groom surname MCGRATH Groom age 18 Groom condition bachelor Groom abode 3 Tantarra Street, Walsall Groom occupation Labourer Bride forename Mary Ann Bride surname PREECE Bride age 19 Bride condition spinster Bride abode 59 Shoe Lane, Pleck, Walsall Groom father forename Denis Groom father surname MCGRATH Groom father occupation Collier Bride father forename George Bride father surname PREECE Bride father occupation Fish Dealer Witness William SPINK Witness Sarah SPINK Register note Witness 2 Signed The Register With An X.
(above 1891, Pleck)
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AustinQ
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15 Aug 2016 11:56 |
Just looking at some of the information above- sorry if I'm rehashing stuff.
Name(s) Thomas James Spink Birth year 1887 Birth parish Walsall Birth county Staffordshire Service number 4102 Regiment Duke of Cambridge's Own (Middlesex Regiment) - 57th & 77th Foot Year 1904 Attestation date 13 Oct 1904 Attestation age years 17 Attestation age months 10 Attestation service number 4102 Attestation corps Duke Of Cambridge'S Own (Middlesex Regiment) Discharge corps Duke Of Cambridge'S Own (Middlesex Regiment) Document type Attestation Residence: 19 Leroy Street, Bermondsey, London, Surrey
Father: John Spink Bridge of Weir, Paisley, Renfrewshire. Brother William: At sea Brother David- with father Sister Mary Palmer 19 Leroy Street, Old Kent Rd. Sister Hannah Not Known --------------------------------------------------
So wondered if this was David (going by address of Leroy Street?)
London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911 Name: David Spink Age: 5 Birth Date: 3 Aug 1891 School: Webb Street School Borough: Southwark Admission Date: 7 Sep 1896 Address: 62 Leroy Street Notes: Webb Street School (0507) opened in 1880. Became the Grange Primary School in 1951 Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV08/WEB/AD/003 --------------------------------
Sister Mary marries 1901:
Name: Mary Adelaide Spink Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Age: 22 Spouse: Joseph Palmer Spouse Age: 23 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 26 May 1901 Parish: St Chrysostom, Peckham Borough: Southwark Father Name: John William Spink (Leather dresser) Spouse Father: Nathaniel Palmer Register Type: Parish Register ---------------------------------------
and again in 1908:
Name: Mary Adelaide Palmer [Mary Adelaide Spink] Gender: Female Marital Status: Widowed Age: 27 Birth Date: 1881 Marriage Date: 26 Apr 1908 Marriage Place: St. John, Newington, Surrey, England Father: John William Spink Spouse: Joseph Newland --------------------------------------------------
Hannah's marriage: Name: Hannah Maude Spink Estimated birth year: abt 1885 Age: 25 Spouse: Harry Harvey Brett Spouse Age: 26 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 2 Oct 1910 Parish: St Thomas, Lambeth Borough: Lambeth Father Name: John William Spink (Currier) Spouse Father: Henry James Brett Register Type: Parish Register
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Cynthia
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15 Aug 2016 09:48 |
Thanks Chris. I do wonder if John put himself down as widower in the hope that no one would know him in Scotland? Another mystery. :(
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Chris Ho :)
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14 Aug 2016 20:08 |
Wasn't sure what happened to Sarah either...(and Arthur Humpage back with his wife 1901!)
Chris :)
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Cynthia
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14 Aug 2016 17:38 |
UPDATE
On his second marriage in 1903 John states he is a widower - but I sure can't find the death of his first wife Sarah. Can anyone else?
She was on the 1891 census but John is boarding in the 1901.
I am beginning to wonder about bigamy?
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Cynthia
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29 Jul 2016 21:27 |
I will persevere......who knows what may come next... :-D Thanks again. x
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Chris Ho :)
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29 Jul 2016 17:45 |
Well it all got interesting Cynthia!, one of them bit like a good book, can't put it down, lol.
Hope all turned out well for those children.
Chris :)
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Cynthia
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29 Jul 2016 16:29 |
Goodness me Chris.........I am so very grateful for all that info. Thank you. xx
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Chris Ho :)
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29 Jul 2016 11:02 |
(from below FMP, Father John, Bridge of Weir, Paisley, Renfrewshire. Brothers, William (at Sea) David (with father) Sisters, Mary Palmer, 19, Leroy street, Old Kent Rd., Hannah (not known)
(looks like he was residing with Mary Palmer, Trade, Turnover (Leather trade)
Spink Thomas James 1887 - 1904 British Army Service Records Walsall, Staffordshire, England (13/10/04)
Chris :)
Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------------- Palmer Joseph Camberwell 1d 1534 SPINK Mary Adelaide Camberwell 1d 1534
(above image on Ancestry, Father, John William Spink, occ. Leather dresser) (1891, Orlando Street, Walsall, 1901, 234, Sandwell Street, Alice Emily Death 1899)
edits (looking at 1901 FMP, only 3 Mcdade for Bridge of Weir, Ann (b.1838 Widow) Sarah (b.1866) Patrick (b.1876) (notes occ. for Patrick, Tanner Labourer, so Leather would possibly link with JW perhaps!)
(although can't view image, guessing, lol)
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Chris Ho :)
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29 Jul 2016 07:51 |
(oh dear!, below article relates to Sarah, wife of John William Spink, who 'ran away' and left children, seems she went with Arthur Humpage, (he's on 1891) children 'left in a filthy state'. states 6 children, 14 12 8 7 5 and 18mths. The father had gone away in July, and did not return until he was arrested on warrant and convicted, he had previously gone away on 15th July, and from that time the children had had no one to take care of them. Thomas Henry Profitt, School Board officer, New Street, said between 1st February to June, the children were always dirty, and were running about the streets late at night uncared for...)
07 October 1893 - Walsall Advertiser - Walsall, West Midlands, England
SEQUEL TO AN ELOPEMfENT Arthur Humpage, late of Wolverhampton Street, was charged with running away from Walsall...
(Sarah Spink article, same page. Previous article below)
05 October 1893 - Birmingham Daily Post - Birmingham, West Midlands
Walsall At the Police Court, yesterday, Arthur Humpage, caster, Wolverhampton Street, and Sarah Spink, married woman, Peal Street, who, it was stated, had been...
(and perhaps Mrs Clews below!)
28 April 1894 - Walsall Advertiser - Walsall, West Midlands, England LOCAL NEWS. that she was Ellen Clews, aged 50, married woman, 36, Pool Street, Walsall, the woman was still suffering from the shock and immersion Sergeant deemed ...”
(intention of drowning herself, had lately been much troubled by the deaths, from consumption, of several members of her family. Husband promised to look closely after his wife in future)
1911 (Find My Past) Clara Ann Spink Head Single Female Charwoman 50 1861 Walsall Staffordshire Ellen Clews Sister Widow Female - 67 1844 Walsall Staffordshire Mary Jane Hollowood Niece Single Female Warehouse Girl 23 1888 Walsall Staffordshire Clara Ann Hollowood Niece Single Female Warehouse Girl 21 1890 Walsall Staffordshire 236 Sandwell St Walsall, Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------ Hollowood Alfred Walsall 6b 895 Spink Emily Alice Walsall 6b 895
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28 Jul 2016 21:21 |
Notes the School Record states his last school as Riley Street Bd. London.
(seems to be below for reference)
Chris :)
17 September 1882 - Reynolds's Newspaper - London, London, England
litte girl named Lizize Jennings in the playground of the Riley-street Board School...
11 October 1889 - London Daily News - London, London, England
The strike mania has extended to the Bermondsey Board Schools. On Wednesday it started among the boys at Riley-street school, and yesterday a procession of about 15 youngsters paraded through the streets, some of them armed with sticks...
Deaths Mar 1896 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------- Clews George 54 Walsall 6b 445
(above 'Mr. Clews')
Seems John William Married again 1903 Renfrewshire...
(states Married for him 1901)
Northampton Road, Walgrave, Brixworth, Northamptonshire William Spink Boarder Married Male 41 1860 Currier Walsall, Staffordshire, England
edits (as below for 'Mrs Clews', image on FMP, notes a witness named Ann Spink!)
Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%) -------------------------------------------- Close George Walsall 6b 706 Ratcliffe Ellen Walsall 6b 706
(so above pair the witnesses on 1878 Marriage posted by safc)
(and below possible for James Spink, looking at 1871)
Deaths Sep 1868 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------- Spink Hannah 42 Walsall 6b 458
Marriages Jun 1870 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------- Boyard Mary Ann W. Bromwich 6b 903 Spink James W Bromwich 6b 903
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Cynthia
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28 Jul 2016 18:21 |
Thank you.....I am going to check all those links now.......x
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28 Jul 2016 18:10 |
FreeReg Marriage entry on 28 Jul 2016 For information about this place follow the link to Walsall If you believe there to be an error in this transcription then please report it to our data manager. Field Value County Staffordshire Place Walsall Church name St George Register type Unspecified Register entry number 2 Marriage date 28 Jul 1878 Groom forename William Groom surname SPINK Groom age 19 Groom condition bachelor Groom abode Walsall Groom occupation Currier Bride forename Sarah Bride surname PRICEE Bride age 19 Bride condition spinster Bride abode Walsall Groom father forename James Groom father surname SPINK Groom father occupation Case Hame Maker Bride father forename George Bride father surname PRICEE Bride father occupation Miner Witness George CLEWS Witness Ellen CLEWS Register note All Signed The Register With An X. Transcriber notes
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Maddie
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28 Jul 2016 18:01 |
1851
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription New Street, Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Spink Head Married Male 28 1823 Brass Dresser Walsall, Staffordshire, England Transcription Hanah Spink Wife Married Female 26 1825 Wife Derbyshire, England Transcription Ellen Spink Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1844 Scholar Walsall, Staffordshire, England Transcription Thomas Spink Son Unmarried Male 0 1851 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Transcription Mary Hibbs Lodger Unmarried Female 26 1825 Bridle Sticher West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
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28 Jul 2016 17:56 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 5, Butts Street, Rushall, Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Learn more Print transcription View image Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Spink Head Married Male 21 1860 Currier Walsall, Staffordshire, England Transcription Sarah Spink Wife Married Female 22 1859 - Staffordshire, England Transcription Polly Spink Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Staffordshire, England Transcription Thomas Brown Boarder Single Male 28 1853 Saddler Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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28 Jul 2016 17:48 |
Thank you Maddie......I'd forgotten about that - I think I saw it last night but was too tired to register it in my brain. :-D
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28 Jul 2016 17:47 |
http://www.bridgeofweirmemorial.co.uk/profile-spink.html
Births Mar 1888 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------- SPINK Thomas James Walsall 6b 716
(wouldn't be relating to above would he?, John W/Sarah, seems to have some Census details)
Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%) ------------------------------------------- Pricee Sarah Walsall 6b 791 SPINK William Walsall 6b 791
(from above link ...In 1901 William Spink, still a leather currier, was boarding with the Walden family in 35 Northampton Road, Walgrave, Northants.
By 1903, John William Spink, journeyman currier, had moved to 4 Windsor Place, Bridge of Weir. On 21st July he married Sarah McDade (43), a millworker from Bridgelinn, Bridge of Weir. John William is recorded as a widower and Thomas Spink was one of the witnesses.)
Chris :)
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