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Elizabeth has not been active on her Gypsy thread for some time

Mavis

You could have a look at Elizabeth's thread - offers Romany Gypsy look ups, if she's still available

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1342925?page=7

Sending away for certificates.

(no idea of anything, but there was below!)

Chris :)

1911 (Find My Past)
In a Caravan Ship Lane Ely, Ely Trinity, Cambridgeshire,

Charles Redick Head Married Male Hawker 59 1852 Wallpit Suffolk (probably Woolpit)
Elizabeth Redick Wife Married Female - 56 1855 -
William Lee Nephew Single Male Hawker 18 1893 Peterborough Northampton
Census reference RG14 PN9225 RG78 PN494 RD184 SD3 ED2 SN203
(says Married 37yrs, Children, None)


Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
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CLARK Elizabeth Ely 3b 929
REDICK Charles Ely 3b 929


Deaths Dec 1928 (>99%)
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Redick Charles 74 Ely 3b 555


LEE, WILLIAM (CLARK)
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 214

(possible for them, but don't think anything here is going to be plain sailing, lol)

You're not quite answering the question, Jennifer.

William's father's name should be on William's marriage cert.
If you mean you don't have a copy of that, you should get one.

That would at least give us a bit of a clue to maybe find him in pre-marriage censuses.

You do need details from that Marriage Cert. 1920...

Chris :)

Sorry dont know Williams fathers name,thats what i'm trying to find out.I dont know where or what year he was born.All i know about him is he married my husband Grand Mother...Caroline her parents were George and Barbara Lamb.I've got no birth certificates as yet.I have'nt long started my husbands family tree.The only thing i know William was a bare knuckle fighter.William and Caroline's children were.

1. Barbara Elizabeth Lee.b.abt 1919 Erpingham.d.20-05-1999.
2.William George Lee.b.23-01-1921.Norwich.d.2002.
3.John Edward Lee.b.09-08-1923.Cambridge.d.1996.
4.Olive Lee.b.1926.Norwich.d.02-05-2008.


2. BARBARA ELIZABETH LEE [WILLIAM1] was born Abt.Dec 1919 in Erpingham 4b 127,and died 20th May 1999 in South Creake,Norfolk.She married ALGERNON CHARLES POPE,son of LAZARUS and KEOMI WATERFIELD. He was born Abt.June 1906 in Smallburgh 4b 50, and died 10th June 1970 in South Creake,Norfolk.

Jenny

To repeat the question, Jennifer -

What is William's father's name from the marriage cert?
Or does the cert not give his father's name?

Looks like the birth for Julia (no name of Caroline included - must be one she 'adopted' ?

Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
LAMB, JULIA TEMPLE Order
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in FOREHOE Volume 04B Page 195

Dea x

That Brook House, Eye Lane...would that be East Rudham?. (coming under Docking)


(as you know with Romany families, probably a few name changes!, there are websites about, have a google, if you haven't already!)

Chris :)

Edits (reference for Pope, South Creake)

1911 (Find My Past)
George Pope Head Married Male Licensed Hawker 47 1864 Suffolk Ipswich
Barbara Pope Wife Married Female - 42 1869 Norfolk Snettisham
Kouncy Brinkley Niece Single Female - 18 1893 Norfolk Shipdham
Address South Creake Common South Creake Fakenham
Parish South Creake
Registration district Docking
Census reference RG14 PN11581 RG78 PN637 RD234 SD1 ED1 SN202
(says Married 20yrs, Children, None)


1901 (Find My Past)
George Popi Head Married Male 30 1871 Hawker Not Known
Barbara Popi Wife Married Female 30 1871 - Snettisham, Norfolk, England
Councey Brinkley Niece Single Female 13 1888 - Shipdham, Norfolk, England
Town Hindringham
Parish Hindringham
County Norfolk
Registration district Walsingham
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 1877
Folio 87
Page 11


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Cley next the Sea
Church name St Margaret
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 185
Baptism date 11 Apr 1897
Birth date 14 Oct 1896
Person forename Councy Letty
Person abode Cambridge
Father forename William
Father surname POPE
Father occupation Licenced hawker
Mother forename Ada


(in case her below)

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place North Walsham
Church name St Nicholas
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1917
Baptism date 02 Aug 1876
Birth date 03 May 1873
Person forename Barbara
Person sex F
Father forename William
Father surname TEMPLE
Father occupation Hawker
Mother forename Susanna
Register note Sydney A Selwyn Curate

http://www.freereg.org.uk/


(also some Waterfield on above link)


County Norfolk
Place Aylsham
Church name St Michael
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 232
Marriage date 30 Apr 1900
Groom forename Lazarus
Groom surname POPE
Groom age 24
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode Aylsham
Groom occupation Hawker
Bride forename Keome
Bride surname WATERFIELD
Bride age 20
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Aylsham
Groom father forename Frederick
Groom father surname POPE
Groom father occupation Hawker
Bride father forename Joseph
Bride father surname WATERFIELD
Bride father occupation Dealer
Witness Elias WATERFIELD
Witness Alice POPE
Register note Bride and witness 1 signed by mark.


County Norfolk
Place Hackford (Forehoe)
Church name The Virgin Mary
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 81
Marriage date 5 Feb 1902
Groom forename Elias
Groom surname WATERFIELD
Groom age 24
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom occupation Dealer
Bride forename Alice
Bride surname POPE
Bride age 21
Bride condition Spinster
Groom father forename George
Groom father surname WATERFIELD
Groom father occupation Dealer
Bride father forename Frederick
Bride father surname POPE
Bride father occupation Licensed Hawker
Witness Agens POPE
Witness Barbara POPE
Register note 3rd Witness George POPE

From the birth of Edward listed below, it would seem possible that Barbara's maiden surname is Temple.

1939 Register


Lamb Household (3 People)
Caravan The Common , Docking R.D., Norfolk, England

Barbara Lamb
DOB 03 May 1871
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 131
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

George Lamb
DOB 20 Oct 1869
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Scrap Iron Dealer
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 131
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Edward Lamb
DOB 28 Apr 1914
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Farm Labourer
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 131
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3


Do you have an occupation for William from one of the children' birth certificate please?

finding no marriage for George and Barbara in uk

I have no idea where William was born.I've got nothing on him at all except he married my husbands Grand Mother Caroline Julia Lamb.They had 4 children.Barbara,William,John & Olive.They seperated years ago when the children were very young.Yes it very much looks like George & Barbara i know they lived on the Common in South Creak.The Lamb,Lee's,Popes were all Romany Families.Jenny

is this George and Barbara lamb in 1891

Name
Barbara Lamb
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1891
County
Norfolk
Parish
Earsham
Registration District
Depwade
Residence Note
The Common
Gender
Female
Age
26
Marital Status
Married
Relationship to Head of Household
Lodger
Birth Year (Estimated)
1865
Birthplace
Norfolk, England
Page Number
6
Registration Number
RG12
Piece/Folio
1543/ 55

George Lamb

Lodger
M
25
Suffolk, England
Barbara Lamb
Lodger
F
26
Norfolk, England

Possibly her death;

Caroline Julia Lee
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Caroline Julia Lee
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1900
Date of Registration: Jun 1975
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Fakenham
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1160

Caroline (Julia) Lee on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Lee Household (1 Person) Brook House Eye Lane , Docking R.D., Norfolk, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Caroline (Julia) Lee 12 Jan 1900 Female Hawker Married 68 1

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Have you bought a copy of the marriage certificate to find out his father's name ?:

Caroline Lamb
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Caroline Lamb
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: King's Lynn
Inferred County: Norfolk
Spouse: William Lee
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 902

Hi Jennifer

No middle initial for Caroline Lamb on the marriage record.......

Marriages Jun 1920 (>99%)
Lamb Caroline Lee Kings L. 4b 902
Lee William Lamb King's L. 4b 902

caroline has no middle name Julia on her marriage

do you know when William was born and where