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Yvonne

Yvonne Report 21 Jan 2017 05:09

Yes, I'd already checked those but what I can't understand is that they had nine children and eigfht were registered but James wasn't.

It seems strange. Thanks for your help though.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 21 Jan 2017 04:10

Yvonne

His birth is not on Freebmd, nor on the new GRO Index (which also has the mmn), nor on Ancestry

The first place to look is Freebmd and then the GRO Index as they are the official Register Indexes.

FMP and Ancestry have just taken (or later transcribed) the Freebmd Index.

That is why I am saying that they did not register him at all!

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 21 Jan 2017 01:20

Thanks for all the info. Sorry I'm so late getting back, been out all day.
James was married to Maria Muirhead and all the above info is correct. I have been in touch with the owner of the Lewis Family Tree a while back and we have exchanged info - photos of James, Maria, etc., were provided by me. What I can't get my head around is why I can't find Jame's birth in findmypast. There are birth references for all his siblings but not him.

Thanks.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Jan 2017 03:54

May be they just forgot to register his birth??

That did happen.

There are several family trees on ancestyr which have James, and one of them has this under Birth

Lewis Family Tree

Birth
25 Jul 1865 • Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Date of birth found in Joseph Henry Leach's bible


The owner of this tree has photographs of James, Maria, and their children Martha Jane, Samuel, Albert Edward and Ida

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Jan 2017 03:50

Found James' baptism!! But it is 2 years before the birth year he gives on the 1939 Register

People did forget when they were born


from lancs opc

Baptism: 12 Apr 1857 St Matthias, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Thomas Leach - [Child] of Joseph Leach & Martha
Abode: Menai St
Occupation: Sailor
Baptised by: R Vinct Sheldon
Register: Baptisms 1834 - 1926, Page 66, Entry 528
Source: LDS Film 1656207

Baptism: 31 Aug 1862 St Aidan, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
Robert Joseph Leach - [Child] of Joseph Leach & Martha
Abode: Menia St
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: Richd. Dandy
Register: Baptisms 1856 - 1886, Page 57, Entry 453
Source: LDS Film 1546106

Baptism: 31 Aug 1862 St Aidan, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
Sarah Ellen Leach - [Child] of Joseph Leach & Martha
Abode: Menia St
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: Richd. Dandy
Register: Baptisms 1856 - 1886, Page 57, Entry 452
Source: LDS Film 1546106

Baptism: 24 Apr 1864 St Aidan, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
John Edward Leach - [Child] of Joseph Leach & Martha
Abode: Factory Building Kirkdale
Occupation: Sailor
Baptised by: Richard Dandy
Register: Baptisms 1856 - 1886, Page 73, Entry 584
Source: LDS Film 1546106

Baptism: 6 Aug 1865 St Aidan, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
James Leach - [Child] of Joseph Leach & Martha
Abode: Factory Buildings Boundary St
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: Richard Dandy
Register: Baptisms 1856 - 1886, Page 84, Entry 667
Source: LDS Film 1546106

Baptism: 24 May 1868 St Aidan, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
William Leach - [Child] of Joseph Leach & Martha
Abode: Sumner St
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: Richard Dandy
Register: Baptisms 1856 - 1886, Page 111, Entry 881
Source: LDS Film 1546106

Baptism: 31 Mar 1872 St Aidan, Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
Martha Leach - [Child] of Joseph Leach & Martha
Abode: Benbedi Street
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Richard Dandy, Vicar
Register: Baptisms 1856 - 1886, Page 142, Entry 1134
Source: LDS Film 1468979

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Jan 2017 03:44

Trying to identify James' parents

According to the 1871, his parents are Joseph and Martha

Martha is dead by 1881.

Children in 1881are .........

Sarah E. Leach 21
LEACH, SARAH ELLEN IRELAND Order
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 7

Robert J. Leach 18
LEACH, ROBERT JOSEPH IRELAND Order
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 73

James Leach 15

John E. Leach 17
LEACH, JOHN EDWARD IRELAND Order
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 81

William Leach 13
LEACH, WILLIAM IRELAND Order
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 54

Martha Leach 10


strange ............ no James is showing up

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Jan 2017 03:17

I note that one of James and maria's children on the 1911 has Muirhead as a middle name ............. therefore the marriage that safc has posted seems very likely.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

safc

safc Report 20 Jan 2017 01:48

????
is this james leach marriage

Marriage: 25 Dec 1886 St Martin in the Fields, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Leach - 21, Engine Driver, Bachelor, Latimer St
Maria Muirhead - 19, Spinster, Latimer St
Groom's Father: Joseph Leach, Stevedore
Bride's Father: Thomas Muirhead, Engine Driver
Witness: William Muirhead; Margaret Isherwood
Married by Banns by: William Chaplin Incumbent
Register: Marriages 1860 - 1896, Page 204, Entry 408
Source: LDS Film 1656206 and 1656207

Researching:
Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 20 Jan 2017 01:32

Just had a look at the record and it actually gives his birth date but I can't find a record on findmypast ... any ideas?

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 20 Jan 2017 01:26

Sylvia, you are brilliant. That's definitely them - 29 Sleepers Hill was where my Dad was born.

Thanks so much.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Jan 2017 01:17

I used the wild card *

Maria Le*ch

with other inhabitant James

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Jan 2017 01:15

Could this be them??????


Lench Household (2 People) 29 Sleepers Hill , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Maria Lench 04 Oct 1867 Unpaid Domestic Duties
James Lench 23 Jul 1865 Incapacitated (Blind)

It does look like Leach on the image!

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 20 Jan 2017 01:13

Yes, you have the correct James and Maria. James was born abt. 1865/66 - never been able to find his birth, and Maria was born in 1867.

On James' death certificate it gives 241 Westminster Road as place of death. I Googled it and it said it was some kind of home. On the 1939 Register I searched by address but his name doesn't appear.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Jan 2017 01:12

Yes ............

Kirkdale Homes at 241 Westminster Road was a home for the aged and inform.

The address alone was often used on death certificates to hide the fact that someone had died in such a home.


However, I cannot find James there in 1939.

You may wish to search the register page by page.


Just leave name boxes blank

Put in Liverpool and hit enter

Then when you get to the next page, click Search, and ther eis a box where you can put a street address.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Jan 2017 01:07

Did James die in a home??

I'm looking by address, and this has just come up for the street address .............

241 Kirkdale Homes Westminster Road , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

safc

safc Report 20 Jan 2017 01:05

these are the only westminister road that come up on the 1939 register don't know why ?


7 results
House name Street Borough / District County Country
127 Westminister Road Liverpool C.B. Lancashire England
Transcription
(purchased)
Image
355 Westminister Road Liverpool C.B. Lancashire England
357 Westminister Road Liverpool C.B. Lancashire England
359 Westminister Road Liverpool C.B. Lancashire England
365A Westminister Road Liverpool C.B. Lancashire England
369 Westminister Road Liverpool C.B. Lancashire England
369 Westminister Road Liverpool C.B. Lancashire England

Researching:
Abby says please do not send messages to safc, always reply on your thread, as Abby is just a paying member of genes reunited. helping other members. thank you.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Jan 2017 00:56

and James?

Deaths Jun 1941 (>99%)
LEACH James 76 Liverpool N. 8b 861

born ca 1865??

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 20 Jan 2017 00:53

You didn't give a birth date, which is VERY helpful to have

Is this Maria's death in 1941??

Deaths Jun 1941 (>99%)

LEACH Maria 73 St Helens 8b 1482


so born ca 1868?

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 20 Jan 2017 00:30

I'm trying to find James Leach and Maria Leach in the 1939 Register but not finding either. In 1911 census they were living in Chancel Street, Liverpool. They both died in 1941, James in April and Maria in May. James died at 241 Westminster Road, Liverpool. Maria died at the home of her eldest daughter, 139 Scholes Lane, St. Helens, but she wasn't there in 1939.

Thanks.