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Chris :)

Baptism
County Lancashire
Place Astley
Church name St Stephen
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 76
Baptism date 13 Feb 1814
Person forename Richard
Person sex M
Person abode Astley
Father occupation Weaver
Mother forename Bridget
Mother surname FRANCE

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(if anything else on above link)

there is this baptism with father William


Baptism: 20 Nov 1814 St Bartholomew, Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Richard France - Son of William France & Betty
Abode: Westhoughton
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: T. Heyes
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1829, Page 37, Entry 289
Source: LDS Film 2113219

fathers marriage

Marriage: 3 Jan 1814 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William France - (X), Parish of Wigan
Elizabeth Rigbey - (X), Parish Of Wigan
Witness: James France, (X); Saml. Vizard
Married by Banns by: Hugh Evans Curate of Hindley
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1816, Page 77, Entry 230
Source: LDS Film 1885690

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Burial: 7 Jun 1852 St Bartholomew, Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
William France -
Age: 75
Abode: Atherton
Buried by: John Morgan Curate
Register: Burials 1840 - 1886, Page 154, Entry 1226
Source: LDS Film 2357499

Burial: 9 Nov 1828 St Bartholomew, Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth France -
Age: 55 years
Abode: Westhoughton
Buried by: H. H. Sutcliffe, Officiating Minister
Register: Burials 1813 - 1839, Page 150, Entry 1199
Source: LDS Film 2113219

Thank you all. I shall have a look through all information over to the next few days.

I'm wondering if we have followed the correct Richard France.


from FMP Newspapers

On the 18th inst., at the Parish Church, Bolton, the Rev. J. Slade, vicar, Mr. Richard France, youngest son of Mr. William France, farmer, of Hindlev, to Mary- Ann, only daughter of Mr. William Hilton, innkeeper
29 February 1840 - Manchester Courier and Lancashire

NOW I'm getting confused!!

form lancs opc

Burial: 16 Feb 1854 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann France - Wife of Richard France
Age: 51 Years
Abode: Little Bolton
Buried by: William Booker Curate
Register: Burials 1852 - 1855, Page 160, Entry 1276
Source: LDS Film 1966473

NO .... it can't be the Richard that we've been looking for ............ she was 51 when she died in 1854, so that means she was born in ca 1803.

RULE THIS OUT

from lancs opc

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Burial: 22 Apr 1859 Emmanuel, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Richard France -
Age: 49
Abode: Great Bolton
Buried by: Wm Stothert Incumbant
Source: Microfilm in Bolton Library

This is that family in 1861, minus father Richard

1861 Census

Name: William France
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: 1840
Relation: Head
Mother's name: Mary Ann France
Gender: Male
Where born: Botton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Pennington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Leigh
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: West Leigh
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 2803
Folio: 65
Page Number: 30

William France 21 Shop Keeper
Mary Ann France 43 b.ca 1818, Westhoughton, Lancashire, Widow, Housekeeper
Ann France 15 b.ca 1846, Leigh, Housekeeper
Margaret France 10 b.ca 1851, Leigh
Richard Aspinall 20 Boarder

Address:- King St East, Front

Mary Ann's birth year and place are the same as in the 1851, so it doesn't look as if it is the same Richard France who married Mary Ann Jackson in 1852 .............. unless he was a bigamist!

???

1851 Census

Name: Richard France
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann France
Gender: Male
Where born: Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Pennington
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Town: Leigh
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: West Leigh
ED, institution, or vessel: 1f

Household schedule number: 2
Piece: 2205
Page Number: 1

Richard France 35 Baker
Mary Ann France 34 b.ca 1817, Westhoughton
William France 10 b.ca 1841, Rumworth, Lancashire
Robert France 7 b.ca 1844, Pennington, Lancashire
Ann France 5 b.ca 1846, Pennington
Margaret France 9 Mo b.ca 1850, Pennington

Address:- Market Place


The Richard France in 1841 described himself as "Shop Keeper.

FRANCE, WILLIAM HILTON mmn HILTON
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in BOLTON UNION Volume 21 Page 170


??? Possible other children
FRANCE, ANN mmn HILTON
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in LEIGH UNION Volume 21 Page 471

FRANCE, ROBERT mmn HILTON
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in LEIGH UNION Volume 21 Page 568


FRANCE, ANN mmn HILTON
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in LEIGH UNION Volume 21 Page 560

FRANCE, MARGARET HILTON
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in LEIGH Volume 21 Page 577

FRANCE, EDWIN HILTON
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in LEIGH UNION Volume 21 Page 629


??? from lancs opc

Baptism: 23 Jun 1844 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
Robert France - Son of Richard France & Mary Ann
Abode: Westleigh
Occupation: Shopkeeper
Baptised by: E Blenkinsopp, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1849, Page 198, Entry 1580
Source: LDS Film 1885645

Baptism: 28 Feb 1847 All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire, England
Ann France - Daughter of Richard France & Mary Ann
Abode: Pennington
Occupation: Shopkeeper
Baptised by: H. T. Turner Offg. Minister
Register: Baptisms 1840 - 1858, Page 380, Entry 3040
Source: LDS Film 93747

Baptism: 7 Jul 1850 St Stephen, Astley, Lancashire, England
Margaret France - [Child] of Richard France & Mary Ann
Abode: Pennington
Occupation: Shopkeeper
Baptised by: Alfred Hewlett
Register: Baptisms 1844 - 1853, Page 56, Entry 446
Source: LDS Family Search

Marriage in 1840 from lancs opc .......

Marriage: 18 Feb 1840 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Richard France - Full, Engineer, Bachelor, Claremont
Mary Ann Hilton - Full, Spinster, Westhoughton
Groom's Father: William France, Farmer
Bride's Father: William Hilton, Publican
Witness: Robert Watson; Norman France
Married by Licence by: J. Slade, Vicar
Register: Marriages 1839 - 1841, Page 57, Entry 114
Source: Microfilm of the register at Manchester Library


and the 1852 marriage

Marriage: 19 May 1852 St Mary, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Richard France - 38, Labourer, Widower, 16 Regent Road
Mary Ann Jackson - 48, Spinster, 16 Regent Road
Groom's Father: Richard France, Labourer
Bride's Father: James Jackson, Publican
Witness: John Douglas; William Peacock
Married by Banns by: Ephraim Harper A.B. Rector of St. Simon’s Parish Salford
Register: Marriages 1851 - 1852, Page 141, Entry 282
Source: LDS Family Search


Problem is there are so many Richard France!

Another version of Richard's baptism from lancs opc

Baptism: 13 Feb 1814 St Stephen, Astley, Lancashire, England
Richd France - son of Bridget France
Abode: Astley
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: Wm Lister
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1844, Page 10, Entry 76

If he did marry again he used his own name as a fathers name - being illegitimate unless he knew the true identity of his natural father

Thank you so much

1841
Name: Bridget Heyer
[Bridget Heyes]
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Leigh
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Culcheth
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 513
Book: 1
Folio: 6
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Heyer 45
Bridget Heyer 50
James Heyer 15
Charles Heyer 14
William Heyer 12
Mary Heyer 9

Did he marry another Mary Ann? He's a widower at this marriage:

Richard France

in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
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Name: Richard France
Birth Year: abt 1814
Age: 38
Marriage Date: 19 May 1852
Parish: Manchester, St Mary
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father: Richard France
Spouse: Mary Ann Jackson
Spouse Father: James Jackson
Reference Number: GB127.M403/2/3/10

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Marriage: 27 Jun 1825 St Mary the Virgin, Leigh, Lancashire, England
William Heyes - (X), Widower, Leigh Parish
Bridget France - (X), Spinster, Leigh Parish
Witness: Samuel Whittle; Charles Taylor
Married by Banns by: Jacob Robson Curate
Register: Marriages 1825 - 1832, Page 1, Entry 3
Source: LDS Film 559188

Baptism: 11 Dec 1791 St Stephen, Astley, Lancashire, England
Britchet France - Daughter of Ann France
Abode: Astley
Notes: B.B.
Register: Baptisms 1760 - 1812, Page 52, Entry 2

1851
me Bridget Heyes
Age 61
Estimated Birth Year abt 1790
Relation Head
Gender Female
Where born Astley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Astley
Ecclesiastical parish Astley
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps 4707
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Leigh
Sub-registration district Lowton
ED, institution, or vessel 2c
Household schedule number 101
Piece 2204
Folio 295
Page number 39
Household Members
Name Age
Bridget Heyes 61
Charles Heyes 23
Mary Heyes 19
Isaac Unsworth 79

1841 ???

Name: Richard France
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Leigh
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Lowton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 513
Book: 14
Folio: 20
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard France 25
Mary Ann France 25
William France 11 Mo

Name: Richard France
Registration Year: 1840
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Bolton
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Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 21
Page: 67
Records on Page:
Name
Richard France
Jonathan Haslam
Mary Ann Hilton
Catherine Monaghan
William Sorah
Jane Thompson
James Tong
Esther WiLD


DEATH
Name: Richard France
Registration Year: 1859
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Bolton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 180

Original says he's the son of Bridget France, single woman.


Richard France

in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911
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Name: Richard France
Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1814
Parish: Leigh, Lancashire, England
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Mother: Bridget France
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts
Reference Number: Drm 2/115a

Don't know if this might be him. Remember that ages over 15 on the 41 census were rounded down to nearest 5 or 0 so his age of 25 could have been 25-30 making him born 1811-1816.

Richard France

in the 1841 England Census
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Name: Richard France
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Leigh
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Leigh
Sub-registration district: Lowton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 513
Book: 14
Folio: 20
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard France 25
Mary Ann France 25
William France 11 Mo

Richard France

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Name: Richard France
Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1814
Parish: Leigh, Lancashire, England
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Mother: Bridget France
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts
Reference Number: Drm 2/115a